Cressy (Vic) Accident

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by Russell

Do you read what you type? What utter crap, grow up.

You actually worked out what he was saying?

Sounded like a script for Little Brittan rather than anything intelligent

[RG]

Originally Posted by Laminge

You actually worked out what he was saying?

Sounded like a script for Little Brittan rather than anything intelligent

I watch a LOT of Little Britain

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endagers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

So you're saying we should feel sorry for them and send them to rehab? They committed several crimes and should be prosecuted for that. For that to happen they need to be taken into custody. Some criminals don't make that easy. Letting them go will likely see a repeat of the same behaviour - and the next week when they break into YOUR house and steal YOUR car or perhaps the property of someone you know, you'll be crying how the cops aren't tough enough on these criminals.

[dom_105]

Originally Posted by alecrain

I reckon I like the American model of pursuit better, if you run away form police I will not be sorry for you, and would like the cops to stop you (anyway possible) before you kill an innocent member of the public.

That's what the police is for!

Exactly.

While obviously you wouldn't wish on someone that they have an accident, the fact that no innocent bystanders were injured or killed means that this outcome is one of the best ones.

Obviously not the best for the owners of both the car and the television, but at least they get the chance to seek financial retribution from those involved.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endadgers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

Adding fact to the end of a ludicrous and nefarious opinion does not make it a fact. It is still subjective and in this instance is nonsense.

Here is an opinion which has been based on facts that you may elect to think about.
Since its introduction by various state socialist governments over the last ten years, the "softly softly" approach to crime has not delivered positive outcomes to crime prevention, detection nor recidivism. In all statisitcs in all states the lack of prosecution and incarceration has led to an en-masse bravado by criminals and would be criminals, some of which weigh the consequences and likely slap on the wrist as punishment unpurturbed by the thought of being caught. The reason? Criminals now know that any gaol time will be minimal at best, as the states have run out of money and have yet to build a single new jail in the last few year; in NSW case the last 12 years. As resources are stretched, overcrowding and spiralling costs have ensured that crime and punishment receives low priority, and magistrates appointed by the governments of a similar leaning are only to happy to assist in the cost cutting drive. The general moral and societal decay is a direct result of this inaction and is reflected in the communities opinion of the law and its lack of enforcement; the lack of fear of consequencies has ensured that every crime statistic has increased astoundingly. Furthermore, the lacklustre and typically socialist governments running the states have become opinion poll obsessed, and allow their window dressers (read spin doctors) to create a picture of harmony whilst Rome burns. Can we bring it about and prevent accidents like the one in the original post from happening? Yes, but it will take a politician with courage and a sense of duty to the electorate to weather the storm of criticism that will ensue; and sadly, they don't make politicians like that any more. Welcome to the peoples republic of Australia.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah true and the minority that are are not dobbed in by their collegues so what does that make the rest them?

Do you dob in your work mates? I guess it comes down to how serious the event is, and the officers in question. If a work mate endangered someone, Id have something to say, to him directly first. If he kept it up or was clearly an idiot, Id take it to someone else who can act on it. If a workmate steals something from a big company, I couldnt give a rats, Id just keep a closer eye on my own stuff around them. If he rorted a small business man, the position is different. You know, weigh things up in all the circumstances.

What does it make them? HUMAN, like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endadgers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

I dont know where the tyre spikes were, Im not sure if there were reasons they werent deployed. Its not as easy as "hey, weve got these things, use them", there are other factors at play that must all be weighed up.

Ah bugger it, youve been hammered enough, its not nice to pick on the mentally unstable so I wont.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ltd

Since its introduction by various state socialist governments over the last ten years, the "softly softly" approach to crime has not delivered positive outcomes to crime prevention, detection nor recidivism. In all statisitcs in all states the lack of prosecution and incarceration has led to an en-masse bravado by criminals and would be criminals, some of which weigh the consequences and likely slap on the wrist as punishment unpurturbed by the thought of being caught. The reason? Criminals now know that any gaol time will be minimal at best, as the states have run out of money and have yet to build a single new jail in the last few year; in NSW case the last 12 years. As resources are stretched, overcrowding and spiralling costs have ensured that crime and punishment receives low priority, and magistrates appointed by the governments of a similar leaning are only to happy to assist in the cost cutting drive. The general moral and societal decay is a direct result of this inaction and is reflected in the communities opinion of the law and its lack of enforcement; the lack of fear of consequencies has ensured that every crime statistic has increased astoundingly. Furthermore, the lacklustre and typically socialist governments running the states have become opinion poll obsessed, and allow their window dressers (read spin doctors) to create a picture of harmony whilst Rome burns.

Socialist countries tend to be harsh on criminals, Siberia ring any bells for you? Crap, China harvests their organs. Kind of puts rest to your 'socialist' nonsense re: Aussie left wing 'facts' anyway.

Another reason for the lack of new jails is where do you put them? You happy having one next door to you? Most communities are up in arms when one is proposed for their district, and who could blame them really, I sure as hell dont want one near me.

[Shonky]

I'm just glad it was a tree they ploughed into at warp speed, and not a young family of innocent people.

I hope they all pull through ok - nobody deserves to die or be maimed, and the families who are grieving are innocent.

As for the trouble they are in? I hope the weight of the law hurts more than the car... It's one thing to be stupid in a car, its another to be stupid in a car full of other people and on a public road.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Socialist countries tend to be harsh on criminals, Siberia ring any bells for you? Crap, China harvests their organs. Kind of puts rest to your 'socialist' nonsense re: Aussie left wing 'facts' anyway.

Another reason for the lack of new jails is where do you put them? You happy having one next door to you? Most communities are up in arms when one is proposed for their district, and who could blame them really, I sure as hell dont want one near me.

You're talking about communist countries not socialist. As for the aussie left wing crap; prove me wrong? Look at the ABS data and see if you can see a trend. Let me ask you this, how often do you hear of a shooting occurring? In NSW over 12 years ago we experienced a drive by shooting and it made news for a week. These days, we have several every night and they make a small column on page 7 or 8 of the paper. Whatsmore, check out home invasions or carjackings or gang rapes. See if you can spot a trend then.

As for your assertion of where to put a jail; stick it in an unpopulated area like every other civilised country does. Why does it need to be in suburbia?
Surely driving guards an hour on a bus every day won't break the bank; especially when the cost of land is so much cheaper than elsewhere.

[FGII-XR6]

i know that public safety is an issue but calling off pursuits has added to the problem. the message to these scumbags is if you can drive fast enough the cops will give up and you will be home free. so the policy of calling off pursuits encourages them to hit warp speed . it's a loose loose situation. maybe the american model would work 44 magnum and pump action shotgun ( just kidding before you all start screaming )

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ltd

You're talking about communist countries not socialist. As for the aussie left wing crap; prove me wrong? Look at the ABS data and see if you can see a trend. Let me ask you this, how often do you hear of a shooting occurring? In NSW over 12 years ago we experienced a drive by shooting and it made news for a week. These days, we have several every night and they make a small column on page 7 or 8 of the paper. Whatsmore, check out home invasions or carjackings or gang rapes. See if you can spot a trend then.

As for your assertion of where to put a jail; stick it in an unpopulated area like every other civilised country does. Why does it need to be in suburbia?
Surely driving guards an hour on a bus every day won't break the bank; especially when the cost of land is so much cheaper than elsewhere.

You cant call China communist (its a hybrid), not anymore, nor Russia. Singapore hangs drug smugglers, and it qualifies as socialist (or a social democracy).

Which government took guns away? Left or right? But you keep up with the 'duck and cover'.

Note, I said district, not suburbia. People dont want jails within 100 miles of them, and that includes regional communities.

[mad cow]

in this situation i feel sorry for the poor cops who were involved. they have to try and do their job in whats almost always a lose/ lose situation, not only in the pursuit but also when they have to attend the accident and mop it all up. and then the first thing they have to do after is to come under fire by the media and explain their actions, what a croc of choc. it shouldnt matter weather the chase was called off or not, these kids were breaking the law (multiple offences) and deserved to be pursued and prosecuted. by the way im not a cop lover, in fact ive spent my share of time on their wrong side, but they have a job to do and they deserve to do it to their best ability without obstructions from others.

ed classic, perhaps they can be armed with capicum spray launcers so that they can fire it straight into the car and set it off. it will save on tyre spikes. i have been capsicum sprayed and i have to say i would rather that than be shot, or wrapped around a tree.

[04redxr8]

The amazing thing is these kids had the Focus for 2 weeks! Hypothetically this car could have belonged too someone who really needed it or was dependant on it. They have no remorse are care for anybody else other than themselves. As a parent you try and teach your children right from wrong, and hope they don't get themselves into situations like this. Somewhere, someone failed.

I personally have been robbed, and while most items were insured the sentimental ones werent. (our fault for not reading the PDS). I have no sympathy for the 5 young people involved, and will go as far as to say i hope they don't pull through. (Call me a b*stard if you want, I don't care). The cold hard reality is if they didn't steal the car, then steal a television, then cram 2 young girls into the boot of a car, and to top it of, run from the police, they wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist. A slap on the wrist would have been a month in a juvenile detention centre. These kids would have been let off on suspended sentences. In my opion, justice has been served.

Plain and simple, they are responsible for their own actions, and should suffer all consequences accordingly.

[GoldCoastGTP]

Has anybody seen it from our side of the fence
You chase them there is an enquiry
You don't chase them there is a please explain
Come walk in our shoes for a week - I will gladly let some opiniated do gooder ride shotgun for a week if it was allowed
We don't like it when they take them selves out but it is better than them taking innocent parties with them the big gum tree always wins in the end.
Over the years you just get disheartened by the idiots on the road.
The jails are full but there is still a lot of free space to bury them.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by GoldCoastGTP

Has anybody seen it from our side of the fence

Yeah, theres a few who do mate.

[TwistedEL]

Originally Posted by GoldCoastGTP

Has anybody seen it from our side of the fence
You chase them there is an enquiry
You don't chase them there is a please explain
Come walk in our shoes for a week - I will gladly let some opiniated do gooder ride shotgun for a week if it was allowed
We don't like it when they take them selves out but it is better than them taking innocent parties with them the big gum tree always wins in the end.
Over the years you just get disheartened by the idiots on the road.
The jails are full but there is still a lot of free space to bury them.

I have a police scanner and I'm very interested in how the high speed pursuit's are managed. If some of these idiots could hear it too I'm sure they would be surprised at the amount of management that goes into a pursuit. They are on the radios all the time calling speed, road light and traffic conditions, cross streets, all being checked on a map by the inspector on the other side of the radio. If at any point it looks to be unsafe the inspector can call it off, and at all times the driver is able to abort if he or she thinks it is unsafe.

Also should point out that while a car can go under lights and sirens to pursue a vehicle, they have to advise immediately what they are doing, why they are doing it, class of driver and class of vehicle. They are then told whether they have permission to engage, what priority they have (i.e. maximum speed above the limit the police may travel) and in the event of more than one vehicle one is assigned to "call" the pursuit.

As for the kids in the car, the little 'tards got what they deserved.

[davocol]

Could not agree more twistedEL, I used to have a scanner (until they went digital grrr) and one of the best things to listen to was a police chase however 90% of them were called off as from my understanding the senior ranking officer on the channel had to call the shots and it was on his head if something went wrong, they would ALWAYS err on the side of caution. The chasing police would not question the decision and the one or two times they did they were quickly and forecefully put back in their place to cancel the pursuit. It was also interesting how often you would here later the car had smashed after the chase was called off, until the car arrives at its destination it always be referred to as crashing JUST after a chase was called off.

Fortunately for these fools in the focus natural selection was prevented by great engineering and safety. Makes me happy I chose the focus for this reason.

Originally Posted by TwistedEL

I have a police scanner and I'm very interested in how the high speed pursuit's are managed. If some of these idiots could hear it too I'm sure they would be surprised at the amount of management that goes into a pursuit. They are on the radios all the time calling speed, road light and traffic conditions, cross streets, being checked on a map by the inspector on the other side of the radio. If at any point it looks to be unsafe the inspector can call it off, and at all times the driver is able to abort if he or she thinks it is unsafe.

Also should point out that while a car can go under lights and sirens to pursue a vehicle, they have to advise immediately what they are doing, why they are doing it, class of driver and class of vehicle. They are then told whether they have permission to engage, what priority they have (i.e. maximum speed above the limit the police may travel) and in the event of more than one vehicle one is assigned to "call" the pursuit.

As for the kids in the car, the little 'tards got what they deserved.

[XR6_190]

Originally Posted by GoldCoastGTP

Has anybody seen it from our side of the fence
You chase them there is an enquiry
You don't chase them there is a please explain
Come walk in our shoes for a week - I will gladly let some opiniated do gooder ride shotgun for a week if it was allowed
We don't like it when they take them selves out but it is better than them taking innocent parties with them the big gum tree always wins in the end.
Over the years you just get disheartened by the idiots on the road.
The jails are full but there is still a lot of free space to bury them.

I definitely see it from your side of the fence, and no I am not a police officer, but the way I see it is, we have a positive outcome, the offenders were caught and no innocent parties were hurt. The fact that they would be stupid enough to put 2 people in the boot and then drive at speeds up to and over 160Km/h at night shows that these particular people (if we can call them that) have no regard for their own safety, ad that to the fact that they did this in a stolen vehicle (anyone who doesn't quite get that, imagine for a moment that it was your pride and joy that they had stolen) and with stolen property, shows they also have no regard for anybody else.

I personally hope they all cop the full brunt of the law as well whatever lifelong scars they bring out of the 'accident'. If I sound like a hard b#rst#rd for thinking like this, think about this, what is giving them a slap on the wrist going to do, make them change, or make them think they can get away with doing it again?

[Nostalgia]

From Today's Geelong Advertiser : Girl recalls 'crazy' night.

Crash victim Vicki Robinson yesterday recalled a "crazy" night where she and her four friends smoked marijuana and drank several slabs of alcohol, before crashing the car they were travelling in into a tree.

The 14-year-old claimed her friends asked if she wanted to go for a drive after the teens gained possession of a car, believed to be stolen.

Vicki, who was yesterday nursing her injuries in Geelong Hospital, said the wild ride started at 8.30pm on Sunday in Norlane and ended about 4.40am yestersay after the Ford Focus slammed into a tree in Cressy.

Vicki claimed she and her friend, Rachel Gawne, were in the boot to make room in the car for a plasma TV allegedly stolen from Port Campbell.

"The petrol tank was full so we just drove," Vicki said.

"We were bored and we were doing crazy things like having bongs in the car and we all drank about a slab (of assorted alcohol) each during the night."

"It was really scary and I didn't even know there was a police chase, we couldn't hear anything in the boot."

Vicki said she would not engage such behaviour again.

"Last time we nearly hit a B-Double truck." she said.

"I've learned my lesson now."

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by NostalgEA

From Today's Geelong Advertiser : Girl recalls 'crazy' night.

Crash victim Vicki Robinson yesterday recalled a "crazy" night where she and her four friends smoked marijuana and drank several slabs of alcohol, before crashing the car they were travelling in into a tree.

The 14-year-old claimed her friends asked if she wanted to go for a drive after the teens gained possession of a car, believed to be stolen.

Vicki, who was yesterday nursing her injuries in Geelong Hospital, said the wild ride started at 8.30pm on Sunday in Norlane and ended about 4.40am yestersay after the Ford Focus slammed into a tree in Cressy.

Vicki claimed she and her friend, Rachel Gawne, were in the boot to make room in the car for a plasma TV allegedly stolen from Port Campbell.

"The petrol tank was full so we just drove," Vicki said.

"We were bored and we were doing crazy things like having bongs in the car and we all drank about a slab (of assorted alcohol) each during the night."

"It was really scary and I didn't even know there was a police chase, we couldn't hear anything in the boot."

Vicki said she would not engage such behaviour again.

"Last time we nearly hit a B-Double truck." she said.

"I've learned my lesson now."

I was going to mention that, sounded like they were bragging about it. What a bunch of losers. Seems like the stereotype Norlane scum who's parents were probably too stoned to even realize they have kids. This is extremely harsh but it would have been no loss if they all died in the crash. I'm sure they will all walk away free from court with just a slap on the wrist. Time to start throwing the book at these kids. They probably commit these sorts of crimes because they know they are under 18 and they will get away with it.

[Nostalgia]

Totally agree with you Bossxr8. How's the comment "last time we nearly hit a B-Double" but iv'e learnt my lesson now. : : :

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by NostalgEA

Totally agree with you Bossxr8. How's the comment "last time we nearly hit a B-Double" but iv'e learnt my lesson now. : : :

Probably be out stealing cars again next weekend.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Probably be pregnant next weekend.

Fixed!

[zetec]

Just love the QUALITY journalism. Whilst quoting a Ford Festiva, they go on to state that it's a sedan (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=71944) and hit speeds of 170km/h. Both are impossible in a Festiva! Not expected to be car experts, but please, at least try to find out SOME of the details. Might as well have called it a Ford Falcon or a Laser.

Here's a pic of the car. It's a late model Zetec Sedan, no more than 12 months old...

[dom_105]

They should throw a very large and heavy book at all of those kids.

[deesun]

Originally Posted by ltd

as the states have run out of money and have yet to build a single new jail in the last few year; in NSW case the last 12 years. .

As I may agree with some other parts of what you say this is incorrect. Kempsey has a new gaol opened probably less than 3 years ago.

[LTDHO]

"These kids are about to crash, best we call of pursuit"

I love this is always the case.

Anyway back on topic, as I read in the paper, these kids stole the car weeks earlier, then did a breakin to get a big screen plasma, did a runna in a servo, then were involved in the pursuit.
Due to thier age, I am interested in hearing the outcome.

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

"These kids are about to crash, best we call of pursuit"

I love this is always the case.

How do you know this? You can't listen to police coms in Vic anymore, so I assume you're a policeman or work for the OPI that investigates them?

Otherwise, I can't see how you, or any of the other armchair experts that have commented in this thread, would have any idea what's true and what isn't with regards to the termination of a police pursuit, and clearly you have no issues perpetuating ignorant assumptions.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Fixed!

[ltd]

Originally Posted by deesun

As I may agree with some other parts of what you say this is incorrect. Kempsey has a new gaol opened probably less than 3 years ago.

I stand corrected.
But, I am sick of all these hand wringing apologists who spend their lives finding excuses for the losers in our society. These are the same vermin who would attend a protest against the police whom are just trying to do their jobs. The level of hatred directed at those who work to protect us is sickening, and whilst not a police officer I have come to know this first hand. The fact that a policeman can be spat on by the public and not allowed to do anything is inexcusable, and the fact that political influence for expedient ends has anything to do with our force/service/force (remember the name change) is equally reprehensible. As for who took the guns away as asked by fmc351, it was Howard. He did the guns amnesty to reduce the population of firearms in the community with impunity and anonymity for the owners with the best intentions; the left state governments were supposed to follow up with automatic prison sentences for illegal firearms possession but again failed to deliver.
fmc351, I didn't mention singapore which by the way has a zero tolerance approach to crime and as such has very little crime, and China refers to itself as Communist China. In Russia they have adapted a relatively zero tolerance approach to law and order. As for your assertion that policing and tightened laws produces negative outcomes, I'd suggest you find a shred of evidence to support such a vexatious and flawed statement; as all evidence proves the contrary.