Update, that VIC Burnley tunnel crash

[Keepleft]

Delete if this appears elsewhere on forum, but for those interested (The Age, 12 May 07):-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...390556452.html


Citylink webcams:-
http://www.citylink.com.au/860.jsp

[Elks]

and the suprised people are....

[Elks]

Oh, by the way, good get keepleft

[RG]

ACA terror in the tunnel.
Now it seems that instead of finding and "investigating" stories that just make them up as they go. No wonder The Chaser give them such a hard time.

[Full Noise]

I actually thought that this would be the case. Here is a post of mine in another thread where I give my 2 cents worth.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...3&postcount=79

Here’s the link to the truck story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...8-b9fc60a09090

Here’s the Mercedes story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...7-A52A2A686481


Thanks for posting the link to The Age, Keepleft.

Cheers

[Thunder]

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane. No eratic behaviour by ACA. The Truck driver is fully responsible for the accident.

If you watch the video you can see that the mercedes and the truck both merge into the same lane (middle lane) at the same time. But the mercedes is in fact ahead of the truck.

The mercedes is doing the right thing (ie he is overtaking via a lane on his right) and the truckie is doing the wrong thing (overtaking via a lane to his left!)

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. :togo:

[andrewts]

Originally Posted by Thunder

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane.

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by andrewts

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

At the end of the tunnel, after the accident dude, they were not to blame though.

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by andrewts

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

While looking in the rear vision mirror the whole time, and with no blinker. This lady is a bad driver. She should not have been in the right lane, she changed lanes without looking, she did not indicate, she did not stop at the scene of an accident she witnessed, she is a BAD DRIVER.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Thunder

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. :togo:

Geez, I’m glad you’re such an expert. :

In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

The truck made contact with the rear 1/4 of the merc, the merc was already into the middle lane and moving past him... the truck simply didnt check to see if it was safe to merge left............. Which is futher proven by the fact that he didnt even know he had made contact with the merc.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The truck made contact with the rear 1/4 of the merc, the merc was already into the middle lane and moving past him... the truck simply didnt check to see if it was safe to merge left............. Which is futher proven by the fact that he didnt even know he had made contact with the merc.

Yes, true. But you have to admit, too many people (and not just truck drivers) dont have the patience to wait for a safe time to overtake. I drive the F3 daily and its now a rediculous phenomenon for trucks to overtake from the right lane into the middle lane (overtake to the left) because they cant wait 10 or 20 more seconds for the car in front to move over. Patience can save lives.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Geez, I’m glad you’re such an expert. :

In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

Obviously a head check is required regardless in many ways, but overtaking via the left lane is the current rule in all states of Australia, i appologise if this rule is un-applicable to you Full Noise.

I am not being nasty mate, just simplistic.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Obviously a head check is required regardless in many ways, but overtaking via the left lane is the current rule in all states of Australia, i appologise if this rule is un-applicable to you Full Noise.

I am not being nasty mate, just simplistic.

OK, I’ll be simplistic then. Generally when you overtake someone, you usually go faster than them. If you read what I’d posted in the other thread (link attached) you would have understood what I’d posted, or didn’t you read it?

[Elks]

[PHP]The mercedes is doing the right thing (ie he is overtaking via a lane on his right) and the truckie is doing the wrong thing (overtaking via a lane to his left!)

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. [/PHP]

Thunder clearly you have never travelled in or driven a truck, they are large slow to react and vision at close quarters is limited, If you back of in an uphill pinch you lose all your momemntum then have all the people who don' understand complaining that truck are going slow in the right lane,

I would be surprised if the ACA crew didn't have a "what have we done" moment which they wont admit to.

Fact is in a truck staedy as she goes is the way. No fast take off(almost impossible) no hard braking no quick corners changing lanes in a tunnell or freeway is usally avioded, unless of course you have a camera crew slowing down in front of you...

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Geez, I’m glad you’re such an expert. :

In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

nice to see your such an expert to, obviously the driver of the mercedes did a head check quickly because the truck entered into the lane maybe a few seconds after him & correctly when the mercedes driver did his head check no1 was in that lane

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by MeLLy

nice to see your such an expert to, obviously the driver of the mercedes did a head check quickly because the truck entered into the lane maybe a few seconds after him & correctly when the mercedes driver did his head check no1 was in that lane

Listen, Sweetheart. I was driving trucks interstate back when your mother was washing your filthy nappies. I never claimed to be an expert, however, Your contribution to this thread amuses me. As you have nothing sensible to contribute, am I to assume that you only posted to antagonize me? Well guess what, it didn’t work.

XRQTR, I appreciate your posts, however, I don’t know why you bother going into such detail. These people are clearly anti-truck and there’s nothing you can do to change it. Let's face it. They won’t listen to reason or common sense. You’d have a better chance trying to explain Pythagoras’s theorem to a brick wall.

[Gilesie]

Originally Posted by Thunder

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane. No eratic behaviour by ACA. The Truck driver is fully responsible for the accident.

The only thing that baffles me is how the ACA crew had the preminition that this event might occur.
bit of food for thought

[Keepleft]

Thunder wrote: - The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane. No erratic behaviour by ACA. The Truck driver is fully responsible for the accident.

Fault, and apportioned fault will be determined in time.

If you watch the video you can see that the mercedes and the truck both merge into the same lane (middle lane) at the same time. But the mercedes is in fact ahead of the truck.

Additional issues here too, insufficient warning etc being one of them.

The mercedes is doing the right thing (ie he is overtaking via a lane on his right) and the truckie is doing the wrong thing (overtaking via a lane to his left!)

Much more to it than that. Remember, it is not an offence to overtake a car in the left lane, provided it is just that, a marked lane.

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people.

When driving in the left lane of three laned sections of freeway, I often pass slower traffic to my right camped in the middle lane, I am 'keepling left'. Here in NSW (and indeed in GB, China, India, Sg, Malaysia etc) we use this method, its mirror-reverse of German and EU Continental learner driver training.

We DON'T teach this in VIC, QLD, SA WA, SA, TAS, ACT where the middle-lane of three-laned freeways is considered the left-lane all too often by a public who interpret the middle lane as the left lane.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/attachm...chmentid=28821

That will change with time.

[Riksta]

Dammit, I'm getting fascinated by all this now, but can't view the following two links that were posted purely because I choose a better product than Internet Explorer.

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Here’s the link to the truck story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...8-b9fc60a09090

Here’s the Mercedes story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...7-A52A2A686481

Just a warning to Firefox users!

[The Monty]

If you watch the tape, when the truck crashes, she stares in the rearvission mirror, and crosses completely into another lane with no blinker, all the while looking behind her. She should loose points for that.

[Laminge]

ACA, if its not a story on wonder Bra's, then lets create our own.

Undeniable fact, there was an accident, and if someone is driving like an idiot, I dont know about you lot, but I back right off, not closer.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Laminge

Undeniable fact, there was an accident, and if someone is driving like an idiot, I dont know about you lot, but I back right off, not closer.

100% spot on.

[4Vman]

Regardless of personal opinion about ACA, I actually find it quite appauling that this particular truck driver is trying to point fingers and blame everyone else but himself on this occasion... no wonder we have these kind of incidents on our roads if that's his mind-set.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Regardless of personal opinion about ACA, I actually find it quite appauling that this particular truck driver is trying to point fingers and blame everyone else but himself on this occasion... no wonder we have these kind of incidents on our roads if that's his mind-set.

And bingo was his name-o :

Its scary to think that after hitting a Merc (not the smallest car in the world mind you) he only stopped because he thought his trucks tyres had a problem, not because he sandwiched a 2 tone vehicle into a barrier. :togo:

[Laminge]

Im sure we can discuss this without merging into Minge.

[blur1]

what was the truck doing in the right lane anyway? :

[pottsy44]

Originally Posted by blur1

what was the truck doing in the right lane anyway? :

might have come from an on ramp? not sure to be honest.

[Martyvan]

Doesnt Victoria have Keep Left Laws? In Qld they are only on 90kph+ roads... i believe in Vic its everywhere?

If the Merc was heading for the middle lane, obviously there was no car there, what was the ACA 4wd overtaking? Should it have moved left?

Mmm...... Book em all... and Eddie McGuire....

[XRQTR]

You can all watch the debate tommorow night on where else but ACA

I would like to but won't bother getting into this one as I see all the 'experts that drive trucks on a regular basis' have had there say (of course I'm being sarcastic you fool).

Those that do, understand, but those that don't, never will.