Ghosts and psychics..

[TK-421]

your thoughts?

[Raptor]

My thoughts.

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[TK-421]

what is the problem? i m not pushing it nor condoning..just asking for opinions..

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Raptor

My thoughts.

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Party pooper...

[Sox]

It's nonsense for the gullible and weak minded.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Sox

It's nonsense for the gullible and weak minded.

Use the force...

[Lunch]

I'm not trying to start an argument, this is just my opinion..
Being dead and your body starting up again doesn't prove there's ghosts but had she been dead and an apparition appeared in front of the doctors and told them to wait because she'll be back in 5 then that's a different story..
there is no place for ghosts in modern science, I completely understand our ancestors for their misguided beliefs in superstition because that's what they were told to believe and they were threatened with eternal punishment if they didn't, at the end of the day it was just another form of control, dangled in front of uneducated minds but we aren't those people anymore, just as those people progressed from being sun worshippers that lived in caves and feared the moons wrath, there is no such thing as God, there is no such thing as heaven or hell nor is there such a thing as an immortal soul, we evolved from single cell organisms, we share a common ancestor with every living thing on the planet if you trace it back far enough and in that, we weren't the product of creation by a higher being, we are far more unique than that, the conditions were right and stable enough for long enough and life happened and unfortunately, when you die, you die, there is nothing left to go to an afterlife, the only way we live on is in the memories we leave behind with the living and until the day when my dad turns up and asks me if I need a hand when I'm mowing the lawn, that is what I will believe..
If that day ever happens, I can promise you this, the things I do when I'm alone will never be the same again!

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by Lunch

I'm not trying to start an argument, this is just my opinion..
Being dead and your body starting up again doesn't prove there's ghosts but had she been dead and an apparition appeared in front of the doctors and told them to wait because she'll be back in 5 then that's a different story..
there is no place for ghosts in modern science, I completely understand our ancestors for their misguided beliefs in superstition because that's what they were told to believe and they were threatened with eternal punishment if they didn't, at the end of the day it was just another form of control, dangled in front of uneducated minds but we aren't those people anymore, just as those people progressed from being sun worshippers that lived in caves and feared the moons wrath, there is no such thing as God, there is no such thing as heaven or hell nor is there such a thing as an immortal soul, we evolved from single cell organisms, we share a common ancestor with every living thing on the planet if you trace it back far enough and in that, we weren't the product of creation by a higher being, we are far more unique than that, the conditions were right and stable enough for long enough and life happened and unfortunately, when you die, you die, there is nothing left to go to an afterlife, the only way we live on is in the memories we leave behind with the living and until the day when my dad turns up and asks me if I need a hand when I'm mowing the lawn, that is what I will believe..
If that day ever happens, I can promise you this, the things I do when I'm alone will never be the same again!

Maybe I should have stated that whilst my mother in law was dead, she had some unexplainable experience by science and modern 'enlightenment'. She can recite the experience in detail.

Oh and she; I'd has at a guess, has more education credentials than anyone of AFF and internationally acclaimed publications in the medical sciences field, as well as having her publications become critical parts of the medical profession curriculum's in many different countries around the world.

All that to say... you'd be surprised how many academics around the world (both western and eastern) have a very strong spiritual beliefs.

So don't fall into the trap of citing some random rubbish you may or may not have heard from some guy/girl somewhere who says anyone who believes in spiritual things are all uneducated.

What you may or may not believe is fine, but don't rabbit on about how stupid people are who don't have the same stance as you. Cause somehow you are the font of all knowledge and everyone should bow to your awesome enlightenment. That is simply another form of control, one which you want to place upon others to confirm to your beliefs.

Just my opinion.

[Lunch]

How lucky for her that she's published in medical journals, that's quite an achievement and she can be the most educated and wise person on the planet, doesn't mean I'm reciting anything I've read or heard, while I've haven't done the research myself, those words are mine and mine alone and like I said, was just an opinion, at the end of the day, there's only 1 way to find out and being capable of independent thought, I'll reserve my judgment until I've witnessed it for myself, thanks

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

has more education credentials than anyone of AFF and internationally acclaimed publications in the medical sciences field, as well as having her publications become critical parts of the medical profession curriculum's in many different countries around the world.

Even smart people hallucinate... I'm guessing that although she works in the medical sciences, it isnt in neurology.

[4vxc]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Maybe I should have stated that whilst my mother in law was dead, she had some unexplainable experience by science and modern 'enlightenment'. She can recite the experience in detail.

Oh and she; I'd has at a guess, has more education credentials than anyone of AFF and internationally acclaimed publications in the medical sciences field, as well as having her publications become critical parts of the medical profession curriculum's in many different countries around the world.

All that to say... you'd be surprised how many academics around the world (both western and eastern) have a very strong spiritual beliefs.

So don't fall into the trap of citing some random rubbish you may or may not have heard from some guy/girl somewhere who says anyone who believes in spiritual things are all uneducated.

What you may or may not believe is fine, but don't rabbit on about how stupid people are who don't have the same stance as you. Cause somehow you are the font of all knowledge and everyone should bow to your awesome enlightenment. That is simply another form of control, one which you want to place upon others to confirm to your beliefs.

Just my opinion.

So, what happened?

[Danny]

What Sox said.

[TK-421]

nothing more than preying on the vulnerable and suffering.

[mr smith]

All BS. No such things, no after life either.

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by mr smith

All BS. No such things, no after life either.

Tell that to my mother in law who was clinically dead and being wheeled to the morg when she came back... Doctors and nurses where a little stunned to say the least.

Only the nieve or scared write off what they can't get their heads around.

[Beastie]

I went to see a psychic once...

I knocked on their door...

Psychic: Who's there?
Me: You should know shouldn't you?

end thread /

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Tell that to my mother in law who was clinically dead and being wheeled to the morg when she came back... Doctors and nurses where a little stunned to say the least.

Only the nieve or scared write off what they can't get their heads around.

This type of thing has happened many times, with plenty of theories.

Just because we don't fully understand the mechanism that is the human body, doesn't mean there's other means at work.

There's absolutely no evidence to support ghosts and physic ability in any shape or form.
Challenges have been made, and will continue to be made, and until real science can 100% prove it, then I'll go along with what I said earlier.

Look up cold/hot reading for a start on how so called physics do what they do, it's complete nonsense...

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Tell that to my mother in law who was clinically dead and being wheeled to the morg when she came back... Doctors and nurses where a little stunned to say the least.

Only the nieve or scared write off what they can't get their heads around.

Thats not the after life, thats just crap doctors who misdiagnosed.

The nieve and simple minded think ghosts and make belive men in the sky are real. If more people realised that their time on earth is the only shot, it would be a better place.

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Thats not the after life, thats just crap doctors who misdiagnosed.

The nieve and simple minded think ghosts and make belive men in the sky are real. If more people realised that their time on earth is the only shot, it would be a better place.

Read on past post 10...

[DRU842]

Enough said; unclaimed since 1980: http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/

[LTDHO]

We do not use our brain to it's full capacity so there is a lot we do not understand.

This is one of them.

I am not saying that there is or isn't other beings, being spiritual or other, but there is something.

[whitelion65]

“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”—Bertrand Russell.

[zoesgift]

I have a customer who has been coming to my store for over 20 yrs who claims to be psychic and a number of the staff have been to see her claiming shes incredible etc. my reply"if she was psychic in any way, given how annoying sickly sweet she is, she would know how what I think when I see her and walk straight back out!" ghosts im not too sure about however....

[Mr Brooksy]

But back to the OPs question.

I've met many so called psychics, futurists whatever they wanna label themselves as, some have some weirdly wired brains. It's like talking to a robot whose wires get crossed every few mins. I'm not going to say the have an undiagnosed condition... But I'm also not going to say they haven't either. What I have found though that's very interesting is the story of people who have gotten out of that lifestyle/situation/whatever you call it. I remember one guy describe it as fun and exciting at first to be able to "hear a particular voice" (what that voice is IMO debatable). But as the months and years go by, the voice becomes voices that literally make it almost impossible to sleep and their life becomes a living nightmare.

It's not until they get help that they can go back to a normal existence and no more voices.

I remember back many years to my time at school; a chick who decided she wanted to get into that stuff, nice enough, a bit hippy like but seemed relatively normal. She went from that to spaced out and flat out weird to try and talk to by the end of my senior year. No idea what happened to her. But the change was very noticeable.

Now are all the people I've spoken to with this 'interest' clinically nuts? No idea and I'm not a psychologist so I can not reliably diagnose their conditions. But as a regular guy I can say that whatever they were into messed with their heads big time. And those who got help, their stories are fascinating.

As for ghosts, no idea, not seen one or know personally of anyone who has seen one. There doesn't seem to be any reliable info to support their existence either, but there are stories of those who claim to have seen them. So I have serious doubts.

[NickosBF2XRT]

sad to see many close minded people in one place lol..

[Sox]

Originally Posted by NickosEL

sad to see many close minded people in one place lol..

If you mean the people who believe it's nonsense, then not so, at least not for me.

I'm very open minded about it and have asked to be shown verifiable proof many times about psychic powers, to date I haven't seen any.
My mind will always be open about it, but I can only say what I've seen, and so far it's nothing.
Prove me otherwise, I'm all ears...

What I feel is far sadder than close minded people, are the Psychic charlatans ripping off the public and providing them with false hope and made up information.

[Mr Brooksy]

So what you are saying is that; she can't possibly have been 'totally dead' because of a recorded phenomenon called the Lazarus phenomenon. Even though you weren't there, she had been clinically dead long enough to be processed and being wheeled to the morg? And that trained professionals with (I'm guessing) years of experience couldn't get equipment to detect a pulse... Or didn't do due diligence to confirm someone was actually totally dead before sending her on her way to the morg?

I applaud your efforts to rationalise her experience, but it might just be me, but I feel you're stretching a little.

I'm not saying you need to believe any afterlife theory, but to say that in this instance you know better because of a rare known phenomenon that as a result paints everyone in the situation as wrong seems... Well a bit of a stretch.

[GasoLane]

Cool thread. When do we start on Chemtrails and Daylight saving fading paint and curtains ?

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Cool thread. When do we start on Chemtrails and Daylight saving fading paint and curtains ?

Haha, careful there might be a scientific reason for those. Surely the internet can prove them!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

I'm not saying you need to believe any afterlife theory, but to say that in this instance you know better because of a rare known phenomenon that as a result paints everyone in the situation as wrong seems... Well a bit of a stretch.

I never said I know better, I said there were rational explanations. And given there are medical professionals devoting time to research what happens in death, it would suggest that perhaps there is some underlying physiology that explains the various 'observations' those that have died have made.

Reaching for a supernatural explanation as a first resort is the stretch IMO.

What's ironic is that I'm accused of not being open-minded, yet the open-minded refuse to accept the possibility of a rational explanation....