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21-12-2016, 10:58 PM | #1 | ||||
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22-12-2016, 02:29 AM | #2 | ||
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That's typical..
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22-12-2016, 07:54 AM | #3 | ||
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So why do we have such an "average" fuel quality here in Aus
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22-12-2016, 09:43 AM | #4 | ||
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I could be wrong here but from everything I hear it is because the equipment used in our refineries is quite old (dating back to the 60's). The companies have not updated their equipment to better improve the refinement of fuel like they have in other countries and therefore we have a higher concentration of sulfur.
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22-12-2016, 11:51 AM | #5 | ||
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I remember back during the introduction phase the Howard government was looking at the cheapest production option in the belief it would supply the Australian public with the cheapest fuel at the bowser.
Howard believed Australians wouldn’t be prepared to pay for higher grade fuel and didn’t want the political backlash an increase in fuel cost would cause for his government. Ever since that decision Australian fuel has been regarded and often reported as being low grade in comparison to much of the rest of the world. I haven’t bothered to do a search to find any documentation to support my comment as I’m only relying on the memories of a demented and forgetful aging brain. |
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22-12-2016, 01:38 PM | #6 | |||
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Hawke & Keating ran from '83 to '96 Unleaded was mandated from 1/1/86, and was available in growing number of servos from mid '85 as the infrastructure was rolled out to meet the introduction. The decision to offer 91 RON ULP as the base grade had nothing to do with Howard. Labor made those choices. Other developed countries in 1986 had 95 RON as their base ULP fuel. 91 RON was considered a 3rd world fuel. |
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You’re right and as I said, my confused brain. If I’d done a search on my old memory I wouldn’t have mixed it up with the debate years ago about the fuel excise tax that was to be used to reduce the sulphur content in unleaded. There are many articles on the issue with much discussion in the public domain at the time where Howard could have taken steps to reduce the sulphur years ago. Quote:
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22-12-2016, 07:16 PM | #8 | ||
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Magnificent....so we're stuck with either ethanol crap that a lot of cars simply cannot use, or premium which means 10 cents or more extra per liter.
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22-12-2016, 08:02 AM | #9 | ||
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Hi. Sounds like its all rubbish. Couldnt even remember that Bob Hawke was the PM in 86 when unleaded came along. Cheers MD
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22-12-2016, 09:33 AM | #10 | ||
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While he was PM when ULP was introduced, Leaded (Super) remained alongside for another decade. It was around 1994 that Shell was selling "half lead" and within a few more years (when Howard was in) lead levels dropped over time, and eventually leaded was phased out completely - LRP being one of the "options" they left in place for a little while, but it was eventually dropped by the early 2000s.
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22-12-2016, 01:56 PM | #11 | ||
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Not rubbish at all, talk about this has been ongoing for quite a few years & now you will see the push to get rid of 91 unleaded fuel since Australian car manufacturing is closing shop, most import cars are designed to run on 95 or more for graded fuel, makes sense to get rid of inferior fuel.
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22-12-2016, 08:38 AM | #12 | ||
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They could phase out E10. That's stuff is garbage and erodes fuel lines..
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22-12-2016, 10:19 AM | #13 | ||
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91RON is **** though. I don't even really like putting it in the lawnmower
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22-12-2016, 10:22 AM | #14 | ||
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If they want Australia to have cleaner air, how about having road systems where cars can travel at optimal speeds like 80 - 90km/h.
Inadequate roads where people sit in peak hour, stop start traffic cause more pollution issues than any changes to fuel or motors will ever achieve. In my case in optimal driving conditions I can get to work in 30mins @ approx 80km/h. In peak hour it is anywhere from 80 - 90+ mins in stop start traffic. I am no Einstein but in which scenario is my car producing less pollutants. So sick of the Nanny State, Do Gooder, Climate Change idiots in this country.
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22-12-2016, 11:56 AM | #15 | |||
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Slighly off topic but on a recent trip to Dubai, we travelled from the airport to the Atlantis hotel on the palm mostly at 130km/hr and only had ONE set of traffic lights (which was only to allow people onto the main road out of the airport).. I get that they could design their infrastructure from scratch but goes to show what having proper freeways can achieve. They have also rid their roads of trams, trains, buses, cyclists and pedestrians which im sure helps immensely. We need better roads, less intersections, then better fuel.
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23-12-2016, 05:27 AM | #16 | ||
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According to who? the
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22-12-2016, 02:20 PM | #17 | ||
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The government seems to claim that the environment is pristine and burning fossil fuels is a good thing, so this seems an odd decision. Could it be that the 1960s infrastructure is at the point it needs replacing anyhow, and so this was probably always going to happen?
I normally don't touch the 91, but have been lately because it's often 20c or so cheaper, and I've been out of work. It'd be nice if it meant 95 became cheaper, but I suspect it'll push the prices up and they'll stay up. |
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22-12-2016, 02:34 PM | #18 | ||
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Typical media crap. This is just a discussion paper, with a number of different options. And they just focus on the most "
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23-12-2016, 08:15 AM | #19 | ||
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22-12-2016, 03:22 PM | #20 | ||
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Switch to 95 can't come soon enough. The extra cost is supposed to be 2-3 c per litre extra over 91, the reason it sells for 10c extra or whatever they charge is solely a cash grab by the oil companies. The sooner the government steps in and stops this little rort the better.
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22-12-2016, 08:22 PM | #23 | ||
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PULP isn't 10c more than 91, more like 18cl more!!
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22-12-2016, 08:25 PM | #24 | ||
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Why would they need to rebuild their plants? Sounds like total BS.
Bit like saying a factory that is set up to make Sprite needs to be rebuilt before switching to mountain dew.... If they remove regular 91 and replace the base fuel to 95 I don't see why any of the refining hardware needs to be changed...
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22-12-2016, 08:47 PM | #25 | ||
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Aussie refineries wont be upgraded if this gets introduced, we are such small fry that it ALL will be imported, we don't have economy of scale for investing in modern refining infrastructure.
As for 95 ron being 18cpl more expensive, that is more a result of our continuing capacity to pay rather than the cost over 91 ron. But even better, that fuel will now BUST DIRT inside my engine! The ads on radio keep saying it so it must be true, we're all driving around with DIRTY engines people!!!
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22-12-2016, 09:08 PM | #26 | ||
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Ffs this isn't Europe! Why do they insist on taking in every damn euro standard when this place is nothing like Europe.
Euro this euro that, why must we sit behind Europes bum with a straw all the time. 91 is popular because it's cheap (compared to everything else) and most things run perfectly fine on it. So leave it the hell alone !
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23-12-2016, 12:39 PM | #28 | |||
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Whether you believe climate change is a manmade process or a natural occurrence the evidence does appear to substantiate something nasty is happening and maybe it would be a good idea to try and address the situation before it’s beyond changing if that isn’t already the case. No we are not Europe but given Australia’s location on the planet, its topography and the fact we are near a dirty great big Antarctic ozone hole we are more likely to suffer its affects long before Europe does which means if we wish to maintain our lifestyle we have a very strong vested interest in slowing the process down. |
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23-12-2016, 09:09 AM | #29 | ||
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genuinely interested here - does anyone actually have personal experience of problems with E10, or is it all internet beat up?
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