W310 Crap-0-dore

[Ippy289XP]

These thing can not have 310kw.

Just hosed one off with my BF XR8 ute.

And he was trying, he got me up to the 4000rpm mark and that's when I pulled away.

I'd be a bit ****ed off if I spent $6-7k on a package and get hosed off by a 10yr old XR8.

My ute only has cold air intake, Acel super coils and rear muffler delete.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

I'd be a bit ****ed off if I spent $6-7k on a package and get hosed off by a 10yr old XR8.

Probably a similar feeling to when a 13-14 year old xr6t hoses your xr8...

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Probably a similar feeling to when a 13-14 year old xr6t hoses your xr8...

I wouldn't ****ed off when a XR6T hoses me off(and they have), I know the turbo should beat me.

My point is, there is no way the W310 has 310kw.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

I wouldn't ****ed off when a XR6T hoses me off(and they have), I know the turbo should beat me.

My point is, there is no way the W310 has 310kw.

A W310 is just an exhaust, CAI and tune on the soft factory 6.0 litre N/A V8 setup.

Any reputable tuner can achieve that at the flywheel on the VE’s.

It's just entry level for those who want to pep up their cars a little and only a dick would race with it.

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by Express

A W310 is just an exhaust, CAI and tune on the soft factory 6.0 litre N/A V8 setup.

Any reputable tuner can achieve that at the flywheel on the VE’s.

It's just entry level for those who want to pep up their cars a little and only a dick would race with it.

W310 owner kept on saying my XR8 was slow, so I said bring it.

He is not a happy camper now!

[Raptor]

And he was trying, he got me up to the 4000rpm mark and that's when I pulled away...

OR

Was that when he reached the speed limit and backed off?

Cause you wouldn't have been street racing would you?

Cause if you were this thread would be closed/deleted.

Got the hint yet.


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[Mercury Bullet]

OR he did it on the farm ?

Must be a big farm though...allegedly it has traffic lights.

[Rallye Sport]

Motorsport thrills, street racing kills.

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by Raptor

OR

Was that when he reached the speed limit and backed off?

Cause you wouldn't have been street racing would you?

Cause if you were this thread would be closed/deleted.

Got the hint yet.


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Back country road, no one around.
May of hit 120km max!

[F6RCD]

They must be exaggerating the power. I have a VFII with 304kw and have a very hard time believing that with an exhaust intake and tune it will reach the 375kw mark of walkinshaws kit.

[Peterwl]

I recently test drove a VF II SS auto. The dealer stated to me that they reccommend not like putting on the Walkinshaw arrangement untill the car has done 10,000 klm. IE loosened up.

My take on the car, a bit too noisey inside once the revs reached 4,000, and that with the silly sound enhancer off !

I think that the standard XR6 auto FG or FG II is absolutely a better road car than the Commodore V6 and probably better than the V8.

[Express]

Originally Posted by F6RCD

They must be exaggerating the power. I have a VFII with 304kw and have a very hard time believing that with an exhaust intake and tune it will reach the 375kw mark of walkinshaws kit.

The LS3 comes from the factory with 340kw at the fly, so I can’t see how hard it would be to extract close to another 35kw with a few bolt on mods.

I know there are tuners that exaggerate but not all put their reputations to the sword as some do achieve what they advertise which usually comes as an offer of power outputs within a stated range.

I’m not saying Tekno is one of them but it is a competitor to Walkinshaw and it offers an entry level for the LS3 package of approx. 400kw at the engine with 1 7/8 extractors, high flow cats, 2.5 or 3 inch S/S exhaust, OTR intake and tune.

http://www.teknoperformance.com.au/powerpacks

I think people miss the point that a heavy under engineered chassis need lots of power to jump fast and the Commodore is a true testament to that.

Personally I prefer to take my cars to a stand alone reputable tuner who tailors the job to suit my engine.


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[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Express

The LS3 comes from the factory with 340kw at the fly, so I can’t see how hard it would be to extract close to another 35kw with a few bolt on mods.

I know there are tuners that exaggerate but not all put their reputations to the sword as some do achieve what they advertise which usually comes as an offer of power outputs within a stated range.

I’m not saying Tekno is one of them but it is a competitor to Walkinshaw and it offers an entry level for the LS3 package of approx. 400kw at the engine with 1 7/8 extractors, high flow cats, 2.5 or 3 inch S/S exhaust, OTR intake and tune.

http://www.teknoperformance.com.au/powerpacks

I think people miss the point that a heavy under engineered chassis need lots of power to jump fast and the Commodore is a true testament to that.

Personally I prefer to take my cars to a stand alone reputable tuner who tailors the job to suit my engine.


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The Walkinshaw packages are done at the Holden dealer with what I am told is a "generic tune".

The Tekno ones (at least from Brisbane/Gold Coast) are done at Tekno's facility and after the Exhaust and intake is fitted, the cars are individually tuned on a dyno... this is the stage 1 400kw pack im talking about at least. Also get Dyno Sheet of your cars run.

Signed on the dotted line for an SSVR today (Manual, Prussian Grey with 20's and larger spoiler) and am seriously considering the Tekno Stage 1 package..

As for the OP... Different cars I know but after giving the Redline a good decent run today on the test drive, they have 304kw in stock form and would smash my mate BA Series 2 XR8 Sedan (Manual with Exhaust and intake) so good job on beating the W310...

[Express]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

The Walkinshaw packages are done at the Holden dealer with what I am told is a "generic tune".

The Tekno ones (at least from Brisbane/Gold Coast) are done at Tekno's facility and after the Exhaust and intake is fitted, the cars are individually tuned on a dyno... this is the stage 1 400kw pack im talking about at least. Also get Dyno Sheet of your cars run.

Signed on the dotted line for an SSVR today (Manual, Prussian Grey with 20's and larger spoiler) and am seriously considering the Tekno Stage 1 package..

As for the OP... Different cars I know but after giving the Redline a good decent run today on the test drive, they have 304kw in stock form and would smash my mate BA Series 2 XR8 Sedan (Manual with Exhaust and intake) so good job on beating the W310...

When I had a Walkinshaw cam package done pre-delivery on one of my VE Commodores the Dealership sent the car over to Sam’s Performance (Sydney) and the end result was an ordinary and safe generic tune.

After I complained the car was too slow for the money I’d spent and it was explained to me what a Walkinshaw tune and package was, I had Sam replace the cam with one of his own specs and his own tune which was done on the dyno to suit the engine and the car was greatly improved.

I’ll never bother with an overpriced Walkinshaw tune or their rebadged bolt-ons again.

Here is a list of approved Walkinshaw Agents and I’ve been told the Dealerships that are close by outsource the work to them instead of doing it in-house.

http://www.walkinshawperformance.com...tent=Australia

When I bought my VF2 Redline earlier this year the Holden Dealership was pushing the KPM Streetfighter packages.

I can’t say I know who does the work as I declined the offer and didn’t ask if it was in-house or not because after the money wasted on the Walkinshaw setup I prefer to go to a reputable tuner who will spend time getting the car to perform to suit the engine and mods and it will be done for a far more reasonable price.

I don’t know anything about the Tekno packages.

I don’t know if my Redline would beat a BA S2 XR8 or not and I don’t think I’ll ever find out but I do know they come from the factory way too soft.

I thought the W310 package for the 6 litre in the VE & VF1 was equivalent to the 304kW LS3 in the VF2, it’s just that Holden use a difference measurement for output.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Express

When I had a Walkinshaw cam package done pre-delivery on one of my VE Commodores the Dealership sent the car over to Sam’s Performance (Sydney) and the end result was an ordinary and safe generic tune.

After I complained the car was too slow for the money I’d spent and it was explained to me what a Walkinshaw tune and package was, I had Sam replace the cam with one of his own specs and his own tune which was done on the dyno to suit the engine and the car was greatly improved.

I’ll never bother with an overpriced Walkinshaw tune or their rebadged bolt-ons again.

Here is a list of approved Walkinshaw Agents and I’ve been told the Dealerships that are close by outsource the work to them instead of doing it in-house.

http://www.walkinshawperformance.com...tent=Australia

When I bought my VF2 Redline earlier this year the Holden Dealership was pushing the KPM Streetfighter packages.

I can’t say I know who does the work as I declined the offer and didn’t ask if it was in-house or not because after the money wasted on the Walkinshaw setup I prefer to go to a reputable tuner who will spend time getting the car to perform to suit the engine and mods and it will be done for a far more reasonable price.

I don’t know anything about the Tekno packages.

I don’t know if my Redline would beat a BA S2 XR8 or not and I don’t think I’ll ever find out but I do know they come from the factory way too soft.

I thought the W310 package for the 6 litre in the VE & VF1 was equivalent to the 304kW LS3 in the VF2, it’s just that Holden use a difference measurement for output.

Ok so you are saying that Walkinshaw do not use the same ECE KW figures as Holden do, just like the Brock Commodore's use the old out dated SAE gross figures ?

So your 6.0L VE with Walkinshaw cam and package was a what power ? and you thought it a ECE KW figure and then realised this is not what you were lead to believe was the performance you wanted and then had to get a bigger cam to get the performance you truly wanted.

The Walkinshaw Holden approved do not go that far due to they would not be that foolish to warrantee such a setup of that much power I would think.

The thing is because it's a Walkinshaw setup they can advertise SAE gross figures without a problem, just like the Brock cars did.

You could go out and create a 'Express' Commodore package with Holden with only a gimmick like a polarizer and claim power in SAE gross KW figures. How many people would believe they have truly more power over the standard engine, not to mention just add a fox tail and hit the coil springs with a gas axe a bit to lower it and toss on a chook rest on the boot and wallah ! and it's automatically faster especially if it's red, in the eyes of the majority it would seam to be the case.

[MITCHAY]

I find it hard to believe a mild BF XR8 is much better if at all than a mild VE SS.

If you want a fast Falcon buy an XR6T or F6 as far as I'm concerned.

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I find it hard to believe a mild BF XR8 is much better if at all than a mild VE SS.

If you want a fast Falcon buy an XR6T or F6 as far as I'm concerned.

You are correct, but that is not my point.

How can a 260 Boss beat a W310.

Do i have a freak 260 or is the 310 rating of W310 crap.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

You are correct, but that is not my point.

How can a 260 Boss beat a W310.

Do i have a freak 260 or is the 310 rating of W310 crap.

maybe you out drove them.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

You are correct, but that is not my point.

How can a 260 Boss beat a W310.

Do i have a freak 260 or is the 310 rating of W310 crap.

My MY03 WRX is as fast as a Boss 260 at worst so I have no doubt that the W310 is no slouch. I have actually driven one with the Walky pack and now with a cam added since.

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My MY03 WRX is as fast as a Boss 260 at worst so I have no doubt that the W310 is no slouch. I have actually driven one with the Walky pack and now with a cam added since.

I don't think so!

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

I don't think so!

I know so. It wasn't until the BA XR6T came out that the game changed completely.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

You are correct, but that is not my point.

How can a 260 Boss beat a W310.

Do i have a freak 260 or is the 310 rating of W310 crap.

Both automatic ?

He may of had rubbish fuel ?

My SS only liked Shell or BP, but any Caltex fuel and it would not perform, it would make a slight blob blob blob sound out the exhaust, and a mate has got a VF SSV 6.2L 375KW and I could hear the same noise and I said you are running Caltex in this ? and he said yes how do you know that, I know that crap noise and this does not feel like 375KW to me.

[Fairlane 500]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

These thing can not have 310kw.

Just hosed one off with my BF XR8 ute.

And he was trying, he got me up to the 4000rpm mark and that's when I pulled away.

I'd be a bit ****ed off if I spent $6-7k on a package and get hosed off by a 10yr old XR8.

My ute only has cold air intake, Acel super coils and rear muffler delete.

It probably was a SV6 with other badges.

[Ippy289XP]

Originally Posted by fairlane50

It probably was a SV6 with other badges.

Since when does a SV6 sound like a V8?

[Express]

Originally Posted by Ippy289XP

Since when does a SV6 sound like a V8?

I don’t know what planet you live on but every V6 Commodore owner I know here on Earth who has added a catback exhaust with quad outlets will swear blind it sounds like a V8.

[Trump]

Pointless thread is pointless...

[fordomatic]

I lost to a Aurion today in my FGXR6T, I got to 40 and he just kept going, it was crazy. How could a Aurion possibly beat the turbo?

[Express]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

I lost to a Aurion today in my FGXR6T, I got to 40 and he just kept going, it was crazy. How could a Aurion possibly beat the turbo?

power

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by Express

image power

Perfect

[xisled]

The badge on the back didn't always determine its faster.

Couple things you have a ute, it was a sedan. Different weight.

Also torque can make a difference.

If you want a fair race, take on a Maloo.