Ford pulls out of Japan and Indonesia

[Trump]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/25/ford-...indonesia.html

And these markets are huge...

Way to go TPP.

[tranquilized]

Good on Japan I say for looking after their own people instead of a handful of U.S. Captains of Industry and leaving their market closed. These free trade agreements benefit almost no one and are the biggest rort going.

[aussie muscle]

I didn't think auto manufacturing would survive without protections and it didn't.

Of course, if there's another war in the pacific, we'll be ******, again.

Originally Posted by tranquilized

These free trade agreements benefit almost no one and are the biggest rort going.

We basically threw our auto industry under the bus to save beef exporters. remember this next time farmers complain about drought or lack of drought assistance.

[FairmontGS]

Not worth their being there - sold less than 5000 cars in Japan last year and the market isn't going to change. Pfft.

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Not worth their being there - sold less than 5000 cars in Japan last year and the market isn't going to change. Pfft.

Yep, the Japanese are a homogeneous society (as opposed multi-cultural) and thus still have their own cultural & national identity, and they look after their own....

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Yep, the Japanese are a homogeneous society (as opposed multi-cultural) and thus still have their own cultural & national identity, and they look after their own....

Which I consider to be the opposite extreme to us and many other western countries. The sweet spot must be somewhere in the middle.

[mik]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Which I consider to be the opposite extreme to us and many other western countries. The sweet spot must be somewhere in the middle.

why must it ? i`d say it is their own decision as to where their cultural identity is , dont want to let foreigners in ? good luck to them i say , its not our decision..

[kypez]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Yep, the Japanese are a homogeneous society (as opposed multi-cultural) and thus still have their own cultural & national identity, and they look after their own....

Thats cause no one colonised Japan... Otherwise we'd have our own culture and national identity too...

OT, Ford is killing it in India. They are using the locally manufactured/CKD methods to avoid the 100% import duty. Kinda wonder why the Terri never made it to India. People would have bought it. Ford still has a premium brand reputation there.

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by kypez

Thats cause no one colonised Japan... Otherwise we'd have our own culture and national identity too...

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Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

If you want to get technical our locally produced cars are manufactured by foreign owned companies - Japan has their own native car industry which is a big part of their economy and they tend to protect it.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

Grassby was born in QLD, and was Irish and Spanish heritage. Not Italian

And good on him for saying we should never forget out heritage.
Anglos preach all this multicultural bs, but when push comes to shove they stab you in the back at the drop of a hat.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

Multiculturalism started when Australia was initially colonised... Didnt turn out too well for the "Australians". Happened well before 1948.

And those that immigrated here (see the early settlers) and society currently still has the Queen as the head of state and our Flag has the Union Jack. If that isnt a hark back to the "old country", I dont know what is! So all Grasby was pointing out, when in Rome, hold on to your old country as the rest of the place obviously does... Dont tell someone to leave their culture behind when you haven't.

And this Australia day, I've seen enough cars with a "Australia - Love it or Leave" and the "Aussie Pride" stickers on imports all day! None of which were driven by multicultural Australia. Meanwhile, multicultural Australia was celebrating in a Aussie made cars... Go figure...

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Yep, the Japanese are a homogeneous society (as opposed multi-cultural) and thus still have their own cultural & national identity, and they look after their own....

You could be on to something there. Until the Aboriginals started letting all those foreigners in (and probably your forebears), no cars were being imported into Australia.

[csv8]

Could we be next ?? sales of Ford Euro's is dismal???? maybe the Ranger will keep Ford in Australia ??? nothing else will..unless Ford have a big change in marketing etc..

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by csv8

Could we be next ?? sales of Ford Euro's is dismal???? maybe the Ranger will keep Ford in Australia ??? nothing else will..unless Ford have a big change in marketing etc..

That I would want to see. No Falcon - no Ford!

[axe]

Sad thing is that the general Australian public genuinely believe that other countries don't protect their own car manufacturing industries.

Most people in the country whinge about a billion dollar industry assistance package when other countries are busily spending far more and implementing protectionist policies to protect and maintain their valuable infrastructure and engineering knowledge base.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by axe

Sad thing is that the general Australian public genuinely believe that other countries don't protect their own car manufacturing industries.
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America has whats known as the "chicken tax," 25 percent tariff imposed on imported pickups and commercial vans.

[rjr]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

America has whats known as the "chicken tax," 25 percent tariff imposed on imported pickups and commercial vans.

I remembered reading about that on Wikipedia a fair while ago, then when I wanted to refresh my memory recently I couldn't find it. I was starting to doubt myself.

Just looked up chicken tax now and there it was...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

[Carrion]

Take that Japan

[Express]

A market for RHD cars lost.

[cheap]

Maybe, the Japanese / Indo public don't see value in the Ford product? It kind of reads like the Australian Public losing faith and not buying Falcons.

All too easy to insist on protectionism, but it is ultimately the market that will make or break an industry, if the public aren't buying your product then there is little point.

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by axe

Sad thing is that the general Australian public genuinely believe that other countries don't protect their own car manufacturing industries.

Most people in the country whinge about a billion dollar industry assistance package when other countries are busily spending far more and implementing protectionist policies to protect and maintain their valuable infrastructure and engineering knowledge base.

I'm not sure it's that complicated. The Australian public, by and large, are pretty dumb. They don't know or care where their stuff comes from as long as it's cheap, which is why Hyundai cars sell so well and people's poorly built metricon houses are full of particle board furniture and LG appliances. Anything that makes stuff even cheaper, like reducing import tariffs and bringing everything over from China, keeps these people happy.

[GTLEGEND]

Example is Ford trying to export Falcon/Territory into Thailand. Any import into Thailand attracts a 50% duty if over a certain CC engine, which the Territory is. Those 100 or so Titanium Territories Ford exported last year had a $100K price tag because of this. But to import a Thai produced Ford into this country attracts no duty. Not a fair playing field so how is this Free trade...

[blakef6]

Japan has protected all of its industries for many years, and thats why they are world leaders in a lot of things

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by blakef6

Japan has protected all of its industries for many years, and thats why they are world leaders in a lot of things

And so it is how it should be. Globalisation, free trade, one world, new world order or whatever the hell it's called is overrated and nobody wins in the end... Australia will live to regret it's decision.

[Blem]

Originally Posted by blakef6

Japan has protected all of its industries for many years, and thats why they are world leaders in a lot of things

Japan is a basket case economically speaking.
Everlasting recession.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Huge market with poor conditions for imports means there is no money in it for Ford.

Japan sounds similar to Korea where I think around 93% of cars on the road are locally produced.

Would you believe that Toyota only has around a .5% of the market in Korea yet they are neighbours.

I bet they will pull out of Korea next and concentrate their efforts on other fast developing superpowers like India and China.

[Paull]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Huge market with poor conditions for imports means there is no money in it for Ford.

Japan sounds similar to Korea where I think around 93% of cars on the road are locally produced.

Would you believe that Toyota only has around a .5% of the market in Korea yet they are neighbours.

I bet they will pull out of Korea next and concentrate their efforts on other fast developing superpowers like India and China.

They might be neighbours, but the Koreans can't stand the Japanese. Plus they really do look after their own industries

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Paull

They might be neighbours, but the Koreans can't stand the Japanese. Plus they really do look after their own industries

Believe me, I know..

Have gone to Korea almost every year for the past 10 years.

First time I went I thought it was so cute how they all make the peace sign (2 fingers in a V) in all their pics...

Till someone told me it represented V for Victory against the Japs

[Franco Cozzo]

Lol @ Ford complaining about people protecting their own industry coming at the cost of American jobs.

Internal hatchet job on Falcon anyone?