Ex-FPV engineers create 700Nm XR6T

[Sorted]

Australian engineering group Premcar has created a 320kW/700Nm weapon of a Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, based on ex-police vehicles.

Using second-hand ex-police cars as a base, Premcar then adds adjustable suspension, jointly developed by Premcar and Melbourne firm Shockworks, along with 19-inch forged FPR TSW Wheels wrapped in Kuhmo 91S tyres measuring 245mm up front and 275mm at the rear.

A revised intake, free-flowing exhaust and tweaks to the engine calibration liberates around 320kW/700Nm from the 4.0-litre turbocharged inline-six, with an engine oil cooler and transmission oil cooler added for extra durability.

Formed by the group known as Prodrive Australia when the Prodrive company decided to exit Australia in 2012, Premcar offer engineering services in Australia and China.

Premcar engineering director, Bernie Quinn, explains the logic behind the new project: “We basically needed something for the guys in the workshop to do between projects.”

“New South Wales Police Packs cars get Brembos, bigger oil cooler and are quite inexpensive for what's in there. The police turn them over at 80,000km, they're still under warranty.”

Having built a prototype vehicle, Premcar brought it along to a GT-F owners' night and sold three on the spot, cars that have just gone to their owners.

As they're based on second-hand vehicles, the cost of the Premcar Turbo is extremely low, with Quinn estimating the price at between $35,000 and $40,000 as a turn-key package, including the donor car.

The good news is that there is no reason why the modifications can't be performed to any XR6 Turbo, though using the ex-police vehicles as a base is the most cost effective way to do it.

The package is also extremely flexible, with the three current owners adding roll cages, video Vbox capability and more to make their cars true track weapons.

Quinn is happy to accommodate individual owners' needs, though he admits he “hasn't fully worked out how we'd do the non-turn-key option.”

For Australian performance enthusiasts starved of fresh metal, the Premcar Turbo offers a massive amount of performance for the money, along with the peace of mind that it is developed by the very people that handled local fast Fords since the first Falcon XR6 in 1992.

We're itching to get behind the wheel and hopefully will have a road test for you in the near future.





http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1505...ate-700nm-xr6t

[Charliewool]

Wasn't there something about this car last year? (or is this a different Premcar XR6?)

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Wasn't there something about this car last year? (or is this a different Premcar XR6?)

Yes there was - I think some of the members saw it and talked about it back in 2014 when they went on a big cruise and went to ProDrive

[GASWAGON]

Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.

[GTBenny]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.

700nm is all too easy for the Turbo 6. I suspect around 14psi for that power level. How long the ZF will last depends on how it's driven but I've had two ZF cars over 6 years making excess of 800nm with no issues yet.

Benny.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by GTBenny

700nm is all too easy for the Turbo 6. I suspect around 14psi for that power level. How long the ZF will last depends on how it's driven but I've had two ZF cars over 6 years making excess of 800nm with no issues yet.

Benny.

Depends if they are quoting flywheel or at the wheels numbers.
Can make a big difference.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.

Mate that torque from the turbo engine is easy. Can be had for a few thousand bucks easily and reliably, and have that 700Nm by 3000rpm too.

[Black F6]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.

700nm lol thats cute

[2242100]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.

The Fg Turbo's claimed torque figure is 533 Nm, but when I ran my stock untuned 2009 FG Turbo Auto at WSID last May, I launched it in 2nd gear on the first run and the 0-60 km/h time was 2.61 seconds. 0-100 km/h was 4.85 seconds and 110 km/h came up in 5.52 seconds. That was all with the car in 2nd gear and a close look at the data indicates that the upchange out of 2nd gear started between 111 and 112 km/h (I've got the same accurate test gear that Motor Magazine has been using, also I got a 12.731 second Drag Strip time slip on that run).

That raises the question of just how many cars could equal these times using such a high gear from the start to over 110 km/h (and actually I'm thinking that not too many can match that even when their 1st and 2nd gears are used).
So the question is, how much torque can the FG Turbo's really put out? I'd say well above the claimed 533 Nm (ie. with the overboost operating and Premium unleaded fuel).

My Dyno sheets suggest at least 650 Nm at the Flywheel on 98 fuel, but that was when the car was treated aggressively enough (and brought to normal operating temperature on the Dyno) to get the overboost working. That raises boost from about 9 to around 10.5 PSI.

My end speeds at WSID were close to 180 km/h, which is similar to other untuned FG results posted on the Net and I think that points to at least about 320 Flywheel killowatts for these cars.

Also I believe the F6's have an overboost function which gives them about 10% more power and their 310/565 Nm claimed figures were apparently obtained on 98 fuel, so I think 340 plus kilowatts on 98 fuel certainly fits with their known real world performance.

I'm wondering if the 700 Nm XR6 T will get a better intercooler like the F6, that should help it to keep maximum performance up for longer I think.
I wouldn't expect my stock XR6 T to keep it's maximum performance up for too long on a race circuit, but the overboost certainly works in normal everyday real world driving situations.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by 2242100

The Fg Turbo's claimed torque figure is 533 Nm, but when I ran my stock untuned 2009 FG Turbo Auto at WSID last May, I launched it in 2nd gear on the first run and the 0-60 km/h time was 2.61 seconds. 0-100 km/h was 4.85 seconds and 110 km/h came up in 5.52 seconds. That was all with the car in 2nd gear and a close look at the data indicates that the upchange out of 2nd gear started between 111 and 112 km/h (I've got the same accurate test gear that Motor Magazine has been using, also I got a 12.731 second Drag Strip time slip on that run).
That raises the question of just how many cars could equal these times using such a high gear from the start to over 110 km/h (and actually I'm thinking that not too many can match that even when their 1st and 2nd gears are used).
So the question is, how much torque can the FG Turbo's really put out? I'd say well above the claimed 533 Nm (ie. with the overboost operating and Premium unleaded fuel).

My Dyno sheets suggest at least 650 Nm at the Flywheel on 98 fuel when the car is treated aggressively enough (on the Dyno) to get the overboost working. That raises boost from about 9 to around 10.5 PSI.

My end speeds at WSID were close to 180 km/h, which is similar to other untuned FG results posted on the Net and I think that points to at least about 320 Flywheel killowatts for these cars.

Also I believe the F6's have an overboost function which gives them about 10% more power and their 310/565 Nm claimed figures were apparently obtained on 98 fuel, so I think 340 plus kilowatts on 98 fuel certainly fits with their known real world performance.
I'm wondering if the 700 Nm XR6 T will get a better intercooler like the F6, that should help it to keep maximum performance up for longer I think.
I wouldn't expect my stock XR6 T to keep it's maximum performance up for too long on a race circuit, but the overboost certainly works in everyday real world driving situations.

You did that on a stock auto transmission?

[2242100]

Originally Posted by zilo

You did that on a stock auto transmission?

Yes Zilo the transmission is absolutely stock and I think I've been able to prove in earlier posts that the engine is standard as well, but I guess you're thinking that I might have given it a higher stall converter, it's hard to imagine that they've got that much low rev grunt.

With that in mind, I'm showing details of the 0-110 km/h part of the run which shows the acceleration profile right up to about the 58-5900 revs that the engine was doing in 2nd gear at 110 km/h.
When it's being stalled up the car starts to pull quite a bit harder on the brakes just after 2000 revs and I stalled it to about 2250 for a good launch.
There was no wheelspin as I have mentioned in earlier posts and you will note that the acceleration pace dropped off between 40 and 50, which is when I would expect a standard torque converter to lock up in 2nd gear and from that point on there is no torque multiplication from extra revs, hence slower acceleration.
If I had a higher stall converter the car would have had torque multiplication to a higher road speed and would kept the better acceleration up to a higher road speed when it would finally lock up.
In any case a high stall converter would have to be about the last mod that I would ever consider making to my car. Huge torque for launches on the street as it is.

0-10 km/h.................0.43 sec
0-20.........................0.85
0-30.........................1.24
0-40.........................1.64........in 9.01 metres
0-50.........................2.09
0-60.........................2.61...........22.54 m
0-70.........................3.15
0-80.........................3.70...........43.78 m
0-90.........................4.25
0-100........................4.85 sec.....72.51 m
0-110........................5.52...........92.17 m

Finally I can supply you with the DBN Racelogic file if you like.
You could perhaps PM me with an email address. Then you could download the Racelogic software and examine the complete run in detail if you want to.

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by zilo

You did that on a stock auto transmission?

Yes zilo... I did the same but ran a 12.8 dead stock. I thought more people new about these cars more. This premdrive car is a bit to existing xr6t owners. A used F6 with bilsteins and a tune is a better/more powerful car.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FG50T

Yes zilo... I did the same but ran a 12.8 dead stock. I thought more people new about these cars more. This premdrive car is a bit to existing xr6t owners. A used F6 with bilsteins and a tune is a better/more powerful car.

Cheers mate, don't doubt it for a minute.

Just flogging the auto that hard (and as others have mentioned the over temps and limp mode) can't be too good for the transmission to be lasting too long.

I've built a twin turbo 720nM/310kw beast and had to fit custom steel separator rings, custom wave spring and double the number of friction clutches in kevlar to stop it frying out as well as a modified valve solenoid assembly to increase oil flow and extra oil coolers.

One launch was enough to fry the fourth gear in seconds in stock.

You guys must be extremely lucky to have a stock auto hold up so well.

Or has it?

[FPV GTHO]

This wouldn't be a hard package to throw together yourself, are Premcar offering something more than an aftermarket tuner?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

This wouldn't be a hard package to throw together yourself, are Premcar offering something more than an aftermarket tuner?

warranty?

[malazn mafia]

These are the ex-fpv guys? If they are able to, they should put together an FPV bodykit for the FG-X. Maybe with enough money thrown at them, they could produce Premcar Falcons for years to come.

[au2000]

It's a ripper of a car, those of us there that night loved the potential and my son was drooling over it, I asked if they would also re look at what the miami's can do as well.
It's a great option for those looking for a stealth toy
If I was buying another falcon, I'd be signing up for sure

[GTBenny]

Rear wheel figures are certainly achievable with minimal mods on an FG Turbo. If they are stating engine figures that would be a little disappointing. May as well buy an F6.

Benny.

[ebxr8240]

Turbo / Forced induction is king ..

[arronm]

On a scale of 1 -10 its about a 4 to what ford turbo sixes are on the streets already

[Blem]

Doubt these will come with Nizpro input shafts...
6/10

[stevanford]

Originally Posted by Blem

Doubt these will come with Nizpro input shafts...
6/10

Won't need them at that power level.

[stevanford]

Power wise, it's not anything special. As an all round package though, it seems to be good value for 40k including car.

[335JET]

good too see they didnt use dunlops.

[FPV GTHO]

There's no indication what they're paying for the donor cars from what I can tell.

[Craig@AUDI]

My bog stock F6 is a nasty soul as is, that must be lethal in the wet!

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

There's no indication what they're paying for the donor cars from what I can tell.

They go for around 22-24k at auction

[ratter]

are these being emission tested to be legal?

[40RDT]

For those $$$ I think I would rather buy a 2nd hand F6

[fgpsi]

Buy an FG turbo for 15k and do it yaself