Are these monstrosities new or retro ?

[malazn mafia]

Seen a whole lot of these pop up lately. It has the bodywork contemporary of an XD Falcon, with 2000-something headlights attached to the front. Are these seriously an unchanged vehicle from 30 years ago still in production, with about $100k in R&D spent on it, or did Toyota do a very convincing retro?

Wonder if the Aussie motor industry shouldnt have bothered **** farting around with updates and R&D, if people are willing to buy a 30 year old design based on reputation. Imagine how much money they could have saved if they just kept making EF falcons , Holden Kingswoods and just tacked a new face onto it every now and then. Seemed to work in Argentina, look up Argentina Ford Falcon

[Ratmick]

I think they're largely unchanged over the 30-odd years...unlike the Corolla, which only has its name left.

They did make a retro Landcruiser-looking thing, looks like its back-end has been sat on.

[malazn mafia]

Imagine if Ford still made and sold these new. Would be the automotive equivalent to the toyota and probably be as durable and reliable

[XR Martin]

Ford should just make XYs with the Miami V8.
Probably be the best selling car in Australia.

[jimt3te50]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ford should just make XYs with the Miami V8.
Probably be the best selling car in Australia.

If only I had a second XY body and an unused Miami engine around to do this....

Oh, wait...

[MrEL]

The 76 series is a very tough and capable truck.
Turbo diesel V8.
They are a damn good bit of kit.

[mik]

Thats the workers model , like the old troop carrier,
don't really need pretty for a serious working vehicle,
some pics under car etc, it is a pretty serious looking bit of gear.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...-2910101/?Cr=2

good , but i`d rather have one of these .

http://www.carsales.com.au/bnc/detai...-5532309/?Cr=6

[Sprintey]

There's something nice about seeing exactly the same tough cab welding, roof rails, "Arakawa Auto body" in the new car and in the HJ60 that was loved and worked with for so long. You just know it's going to last, as you put one through so much work and the new one's built the same.

As for a new Kingswood, or a new XY, where do I sign? Instant purchase. As my youngest says, if you could have the old styling, with the airbags and modern safety/suspension/motors, that would be the best of all.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

There's something nice about seeing exactly the same tough cab welding, roof rails, "Arakawa Auto body" in the new car and in the HJ60 that was loved and worked with for so long. You just know it's going to last, as you put one through so much work and the new one's built the same.

As for a new Kingswood, or a new XY, where do I sign? Instant purchase. As my youngest says, if you could have the old styling, with the airbags and modern safety/suspension/motors, that would be the best of all.

http://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com...7FBCollage.jpg

No Kingswood/XY but there you go, new body for a Mustang.

BYO driveline and interior lol.

[wranger]

I quite like them, nice to drive in a tractor sort of way. Sit very high with a long throw gearshift and and the laziest engine I've ever driven.

Can pull a fair bit of power out of them with the right mods, and I don't know if anything comes close offroad besides maybe a Wrangler.

But for the same price as a stock 70 you can have a Ranger plus 10 grand of mods taking it to 180+rwkw, so I know which I'd have.

[danzvtil]

Gotta look at these as a fast moving land tractor, tool of the trade. Updates haven't been necessary.

[herbicide]

I have a 76 series, damn good offroad with the factory lockers but comfort on long trips is lacking. Overpriced too but that's Toyota for you. The basic shape is the same as when the 70 series first came out in 1985, but they've updated engines, changed the front end in 2007 to accomodate the V8 motor and changed the dash for airbags in 2009. Oh and put ABS in from 2012 on.

[Giant Cranium]

One of my mates dads has bought a new cruiser ute every 4 years since 1985. Base model diesel every time. He ordered the 2010 update but canceled his order due to the changes dash and airbags. The old farmer isn't a fan of change. Just had his 2006 repainted and motor gearbox and diff rebuilt. Not bad for a ute with 550000 hard km's

[Franco Cozzo]

I'd like to get my hands on one to make it go faster, they seem to be very underrated from factory with only like 450nm torque.

For something with a 4.5L TDV8 there has to be much more hiding in there waiting to come out.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'd like to get my hands on one to make it go faster, they seem to be very underrated from factory with only like 450nm torque.

For something with a 4.5L TDV8 there has to be much more hiding in there waiting to come out.

You're right, but I don't expect Toyota to bring much more life into that engine, and it will probably not meet emissions standards much longer. Rumors suggest that the Tundra may be getting the same Cummins 5.0 the Titan is getting. If that is the case, I wouldn't expect Toyota to invest any more into their 4.5. I suspect Toyota derated the 4.5 in the 70 series is because the driveline components couldn't handle much more torque. People often confuse rugged with heavy duty, and will probably disagree with me on that. I have tried to find the axle and transmission specs on them before, but couldn't.

[deadfish2]

Don't forget to a single cab ranger 4x4 almost has twice the load capacity of a cruiser....

750kg payload on the v8's is a bit dismal...

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by deadfish2

Don't forget to a single cab ranger 4x4 almost has twice the load capacity of a cruiser....

750kg payload on the v8's is a bit dismal...

I am no Cruiser fan but how did you work that out?

Kerb weight (kg) 2065
Gross vehicle mass (kg) 3300

[Polyal]

No the cruisers are this for Toyota...



Those buggers are not cheap and yes Toyota has done stuff all with them over the years.

edit:...just saw the artists name..WTF

[baboon]

Originally Posted by Polyal

edit:...just saw the artists name..WTF

....suuuurrrrreeee you did...... we know where you frequent now...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by baboon

....suuuurrrrreeee you did...... we know where you frequent now...

It was the more humorous one of the google image search I swear

[baboon]

Originally Posted by Polyal

It was the more humorous one of the google image search I swear

ermm... I just did a google image search on the artist.... not safe for work or forums but funny i suppose!

[ebv8]

its a first generation Landcruiser Prado made into a modern car, NZ is full of them but i think they date back to the early 90's

[Trevor 57]

Imagine the **** the engineer who came up with the idea of putting a V8 in those got into - LOL

If you look from the back to the front along the side you will see that the front wheels have a wider track than the back wheels, to make room for the V8 they had to spread the front end, what a **** up - LOL

[mik]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Imagine the **** the engineer who came up with the idea of putting a V8 in those got into - LOL

If you look from the back to the front along the side you will see that the front wheels have a wider track than the back wheels, to make room for the V8 they had to spread the front end, what a **** up - LOL

you find these little engineering adjustments every where Trev, i cant remember which model f series it was , but one of them had the engine in crooked to clear the steering box, but it still did the job .

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by mik

you find these little engineering adjustments every where Trev, i cant remember which model f series it was , but one of them had the engine in crooked to clear the steering box, but it still did the job .

Then everyone copied and the engines got even more crooked!..
Sideways in fact!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Then everyone copied and the engines got even more crooked!..
Sideways in fact!

Yeah but at least those engines only drive the front wheels, they have an excuse to be "more crooked"

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by mik

you find these little engineering adjustments every where Trev, i cant remember which model f series it was , but one of them had the engine in crooked to clear the steering box, but it still did the job .

Yeah I get that, but if you are an avid four wheel driver, wheel tracking is a critical part of a days outing, wheel tracking can make the difference between damage and no damage, it is a poor mistake from such a renowned 4X4 manufacturer

[Davehoos]

RETRO? the need hasn't changed outside Sydney, the product has been continuously updated with lots of useless electronics and retaining some of the benefits of the older versions. Lot of 100-200 lease vehicles locally. boat and horse float towers.

Lot of FJ Cruisers locally-never see these with a trailer.

Plenty of locals that have older 70 series with engine conversions, saving up when they announced to end of the 70 series and stopped selling live front axle. The number of times I heard of potential Toyota buyers that have discovered the lack off long term ability and ended up with a slow rough 4.5 ton truck.

would have been great to have had the landcruiser built in OZ instead of the camry.

70 series Buyers don't go back to hilux.....bring on tundra. Diesel is not an issue with my neighbours and cant see LPG every catching on as long as they are built overseas.

[LyleXR8]

And the alternator is at the bottom so they fill up with mud and water, have the same shirty injector issues as hilux and prado

[Tonz]

I saw the editorial on said Landcruiser about six months ago Iam sure it was carsales.com Toyota were bringing it back from the grave, bigger engine, brakes air con all the extras