Sydney Siege

[Fairlane 500]

I can't believe this is going on in Australia, this guy is well known, I think they should have locked him up a long time ago.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/newthre...=newthread&f=2

[Ibanezteve]

Agreed... I'm all for helping out people in need, by allowing them refugee status and giving them a helping hand in life, but with this animals record he should have been locked up or even deported a long time ago.

[Fairlane 500]

Originally Posted by Ibanezteve

Agreed... I'm all for helping out people in need, by allowing them refugee status and giving them a helping hand in life, but with this animals record he should have been locked up or even deported a long time ago.

Exactly, he was so well known, I even knew who he was because had seen him on TV.

How did he get bail?

With all the warnings & publicity these days about looking out for any possible signs of terrorism

I can't get my mind around why such a well known obsessive nut job like this was still allowed to be walking around?

I think I can understand why the Police get frustrated with the court system these days

The Police work so hard & have to often risk their lives to get these maggots to court, only to have them let out to do it over again.

[Polyal]

Hmm the other thread was locked so cant see this one having legs.

But...I agree with the above to an extent...if people wish to live here then thats fine but the list this bloke had should have been enough to send him back and tear up the passport.

We really need to sort this issue at a community level, look out for each other, or its just going to go on and on.

[Fairlane 500]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Hmm the other thread was locked so cant see this one having legs.

I would like to say I am very sorry to the moderators for starting another thread on something which had been "locked"

before I started this thread I looked for another one on the subject & did not see one & I was unaware that another thread had been locked

so I started this one because I thought it was a topic worthy of discussion.

[BOSS 540]

All I would like to say is thank God (by the looks of it) there weren't any families with kids in there. Prayers to the victims, loved ones.
The ONLY other thing is, the gunman got a bullet.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

All I would like to say is thank God (by the looks of it) there weren't any families with kids in there. Prayers to the victims, loved ones.
The ONLY other thing is, the gunman got a bullet.

The two innocent people that died could have had kids themselves ?, one was 38 and the other 34 so a very likely chance that they did, how do you think those children would feel right now ?.

[HULK_I6T]

really sad day in Sydney.

The gunman covered a woman in petrol and set her alight in werrington about a year ago. How he is on the streets is unbeleivable.

[BOSS 540]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

The two innocent people that died could have had kids themselves ?, one was 38 and the other 34 so a very likely chance that they did, how do you think those children would feel right now ?.

Yes, I agree what's your point?
Could have been a lot worse for everyone if there were children directly involved that's all. As a dad, Im relieved they were not.

[mcflux]

It is called the do-gooder anti-west disease, the socially aware, politically correct, compassionate, try and see it from the gunmans point of view, we bought this on ourselves by backing the USA. We have these people here on AFF.

Where exactly were these (difficult to decipher) views coming from, aside from fabricated within your imagination?

This cancer is systemic throughout the courts and legal system. Laws have been watered down and burden of proof so high to the extent that the gunman facing 40 sexual assault charges + accessory to murder is allowed bail. He was well know for his hatred of Australia and on the police radar for 7 years.

Agreed - our legal system is tied up with outdated laws and procedures that need serious review.

Multiculturalism is failing, as numerous new-comers have no intention of trying to assimilate into Australia, instead they're trying to convert Australians, Mosques springing up and making our suburbs resemble ghettos of war torn Beirut, Palestine and Damascus.

Yeah, those 2% or whatever the figure is of Muslims in Australia will really tip the balance from the >60% who identify as Christian. Mosques as far as the eye can see. Every town I drive through has a church - are you disturbed by this ingrained religious institution or is it just the few (& highly publicised) different-looking places of worship - that worship the same deity - that have popped up... or have previously existed for decades but have been thrust into the spotlight.

He probably walked through Sydney CBD wearing his jihad bandana with pride.

People wear all kinds of things with pride like "**** the Police" or "Learn English or Leave" - it doesn't make it OK but this argument of yours fails as it goes in all directions.

What is worse is he apparently has 14,000 likes on Facebook! There will be more people liking him now and people will call him a martyr.

Agreed - this is a concern.

No doubt The Greens will want a full inquiry into why he was shot.

Why?

Condolences to the families of the innocent people in the cafe.

My sentiments too.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

All I would like to say is thank God (by the looks of it) there weren't any families with kids in there. Prayers to the victims, loved ones.
The ONLY other thing is, the gunman got a bullet.

Sorry mate, but the young lady who was killed had 3 kids, the youngest being 3. One media outlet claims she jumped in front of her pregnant friend because this grub levelled his gun at her.

So close to Xmas there is going to be a family sitting down on Christmas day, 3 little boys without their Mum. Heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

So the dirt bag that caused the siege and subsequent murder of innocent civilians was released on bail for 40 sexual assault charges and being an accessory to murder where a woman was stabbed 18 times and set on fire.

Magistrate Daryl Pearce said he granted this individual bail as a "simple matter of fairness".

Mr Conditsis(dirt bags lawyer) said outside court the magistrate "made a courageous decision" granting bail

…….well it appears the decision has really payed off for the Australian public.

Not sure how these people sleep at night, I wonder how they are feeling this morning??

[Maka]

The professionalism shown by our Police last night shows why they are the best in the world, we are blessed to have such a effective & well funded police force. I hope the hostages are ok after such a ordeal & condolences to the families of the unlucky ones.

Really should've posted this were it belongs & maybe asked the mods if its possible to start a new thread on this matter.

cheers, Maka

[bathurst-racer]

The gunman obviously had "issues". The elephant in the room is the NSW bail law.
How the defending solicitor could argue for bail on such disturbing charges is a question I ask myself nearly every day I'm working at court.

[cheap]

It is called the do-gooder anti-west disease, the socially aware, politically correct, compassionate, try and see it from the gunmans point of view, we bought this on ourselves by backing the USA. We have these people here on AFF.

This cancer is systemic throughout the courts and legal system. Laws have been watered down and burden of proof so high to the extent that the gunman facing 40 sexual assault charges + accessory to murder is allowed bail. He was well know for his hatred of Australia and on the police radar for 7 years.

Multiculturalism is failing, as numerous new-comers have no intention of trying to assimilate into Australia, instead they're trying to convert Australians, Mosques springing up and making our suburbs resemble ghettos of war torn Beirut, Palestine and Damascus.

He probably walked through Sydney CBD wearing his jihad bandana with pride. What is worse is he apparently has 14,000 likes on Facebook! There will be more people liking him now and people will call him a martyr.

No doubt The Greens will want a full inquiry into why he was shot.

Condolences to the families of the innocent people in the cafe.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by cheap

It is called the do-gooder anti-west disease, the socially aware, politically correct, compassionate, try and see it from the gunmans point of view, we bought this on ourselves by backing the USA. We have these people here on AFF.

This cancer is systemic throughout the courts and legal system. Laws have been watered down and burden of proof so high to the extent that the gunman facing 40 sexual assault charges + accessory to murder is allowed bail. He was well know for his hatred of Australia and on the police radar for 7 years.

Multiculturalism is failing, as numerous new-comers have no intention of trying to assimilate into Australia, instead they're trying to convert Australians, Mosques springing up and making our suburbs resemble ghettos of war torn Beirut, Palestine and Damascus.

He probably walked through Sydney CBD wearing his jihad bandana with pride. What is worse is he apparently has 14,000 likes on Facebook! There will be more people liking him now and people will call him a martyr.

No doubt The Greens will want a full inquiry into why he was shot.

Condolences to the families of the innocent people in the cafe.

[snowcone]

Before this thread gets locked for being political, whilst further above a poster comments on what a great job the police did, i can only comment on what a poor job they did.
Whilst they would have been operating under orders from above (trying not to be political) if this was the USA or Russia, that gunman would have been taken ouit in the first hour when he was standing in the window.
Innocent people died because we were slow to react.
That gunman made no attempt to cover his identity and that obviously meant he knew he wasn't going to be walking out of that cafe alive.
His identity was known to the police and his background very early on but still the decision was made to sit on there hands and try and talk him out.
The police needs to wake up and realise that they are not dealing with Neville or Reg from down at the pub anymore.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by snowcone

be political) if this was the USA or Russia, that gunman would have been taken ouit in the first hour when he was standing in the window.
Innocent people died because we were slow to react.
That gunman made no attempt to cover his identity and that obviously meant he knew he wasn't going to be walking out of that cafe alive.

I have NFI how all the procedures work but I must admit that thought crossed my mind many times.

There were multiple cases where news crews had clear video footage of him crossing the window. They knew he was alone, possible had the chance.

I guess the risk is if they miss, and he survives, then all hostages could be killed?

Got to remember what happens in a video game isnt how it plays out in real life.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I have NFI how all the procedures work but I must admit that thought crossed my mind many times.

There were multiple cases where news crews had clear video footage of him crossing the window. They knew he was alone, possible had the chance.

I guess the risk is if they miss, and he survives, then all hostages could be killed?

Got to remember what happens in a video game isnt how it plays out in real life.

He had got one of the hostages to record a message saying he had 4 bombs in various locations, so I think the police initially were wary of that. The fact they didn't have a bigger safety cordon later means to me that at some point they realised he had no bombs, but then thought they'd wait him out.

[2002au]

As kevin bloody Wilson puts it,

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. True scum of the earth

[nuthin' fancy]

Originally Posted by 2002au

As kevin bloody Wilson puts it,

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. True scum of the earth

What a disgraceful contribution.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by 2002au

As kevin bloody Wilson puts it,

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. True scum of the earth

Last time I checked, the KKK and the IRA aren't Muslims.

[deluxe_]

Originally Posted by 2002au

As kevin bloody Wilson puts it,

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. True scum of the earth

Living in Tasmania I can understand how one can carry such a bigoted views of the Muslims and brush off the entire 1.6 billion Muslims that compose of many different ethnic backgrounds (European, Middle Eastern, African and Asian) as terrorists when such narrow minded views like this, as far as i can tell it likely stems from what you grasp of the media.

If you get a chance to go out more and interact people of different background and religion you will find we're no different than you.

Then again, I suppose people of higher academic background will hold a drastically different opinion of Muslims as they would of had a chance to actually socialize and befriend Muslims as their fellow class mates or as their work colleges, coming to realize how peaceful, tolerant and loving we can mostly be.

[Ibanezteve]

Im sure the vision of him on the news was taken before anyone escaped, so the police wouldn't have known if he was alone or not. I agree it could have turned out a lot better, but on the flip side it could have turned out a lot worse too. Hind site is a curse!

[mcflux]

To those condemning the Police action of wait-&-see - what if he had a "dead man trigger" explosive device in his backpack?

For the "let's shoot him ASAP" scenario: 10 mins into the ordeal, a police sniper takes him out (& probably injures some hostages with glass shards). 10 mins & 1 sec into the ordeal his backpack goes up & everyone inside the café is killed.

Secondly "let's shoot him ASAP" - he goes down without his agenda or demands being addressed - instant martyr & extremist groups gain more strength / sway straying people with claims of massive over-retaliation.

Fools rush in.

Nobody knew how exactly this was going to play out - tragically there were two innocents killed, not the best solution but better than all dead.'

Lastly - gun control FTW

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

To those condemning the Police action of wait-&-see - what if he had a "dead man trigger" explosive device in his backpack?

For the "let's shoot him ASAP" scenario: 10 mins into the ordeal, a police sniper takes him out (& probably injures some hostages with glass shards). 10 mins & 1 sec into the ordeal his backpack goes up & everyone inside the café is killed.

Secondly "let's shoot him ASAP" - he goes down without his agenda or demands being addressed - instant martyr & extremist groups gain more strength / sway straying people with claims of massive over-retaliation.

Fools rush in.

Nobody knew how exactly this was going to play out - tragically there were two innocents killed, not the best solution but better than all dead.'

Agreed. He had initially said he had bombs (planted around Sydney as well on his person) so they couldnt risk if he had a "dead man trigger" or if his accomplices saw him get shot, that they would detonate the other bombs.

[BENT_8]

This day will be remembered as the day Australia changed forever.

Sadly I believe this will be just the beginning.

RIP.

[Polyal]

Gun control FTW Sarcasm?

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Gun control FTW Sarcasm?

Not sarcasm. He didn't have an assault rifle as he probably couldn't get his hands on one due to our restrictions.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Not sarcasm. He didn't have an assault rifle as he probably couldn't get his hands on one due to our restrictions.

Ok ah yes I fully agree! My meter was off....if any of these loners were properly connected I hope they dont get their hands on anything even remotely automatic.