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16-01-2014, 12:15 AM | #1 | ||
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226802590442
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16-01-2014, 01:00 AM | #2 | ||
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aint that the truth
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16-01-2014, 09:11 AM | #3 | ||
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Careful, Dowling wrote it, the lying hound!
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16-01-2014, 07:48 AM | #4 | ||
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Doom and gloom about the loss of manufacturing but on the bright side a nice article about Ford towards the end.
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16-01-2014, 08:05 AM | #5 | ||
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He has a point but I think there is more to it than just government policy. The manufacturers and the government need to work together.
Doesn't help when the primary (only) product you develop has had a nose dive in sales over the last few years.
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16-01-2014, 08:17 AM | #6 | ||
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Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.
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16-01-2014, 08:25 AM | #7 | |||
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But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.
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16-01-2014, 08:49 AM | #8 | ||
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We are a free market experiment being watched by the big trading countries.
Sovereignty is also a tradable commodity now it seems. Feel 'comfortable' in this experiment and take what's given to you as you are buffeted by 'market forces' ....yo'll have a nice day now!
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16-01-2014, 10:02 AM | #9 | |||
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Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture. |
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16-01-2014, 10:08 AM | #10 | |||
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Being unAustralian for the car you buy..LOL..maybe because the economy is falling apart and people can afford the extra $10k for a falcon/commodore to a comparable mid-sizer that fills most peoples needs...
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16-01-2014, 10:45 AM | #11 | |||
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The poms haven't lost their vehicle manufacturing 'capability', but we're on track to lose the 'ability'.
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16-01-2014, 09:33 AM | #12 | |||
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16-01-2014, 09:41 AM | #13 | ||
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That's Bob Katter's 'schtick', I get the impression he would like to wind back 'multiculturalism'.
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16-01-2014, 12:46 PM | #14 | |||
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But as for people who just want to use a nation as a dumping ground ?well one may voice their democratic rights for the moment, the time being, well sort of but as for the PC nazi's pushing us around nowadays telling us what to think. But maybe just maybe we should all be for a change of the Australian name as it does not represent what we were any more, does it ? In the future from what i can see is, we do have people now trying to be pushing the line, so we will end up not having the States or Territories in Australia. and there is more to as what this PC nazi lot are pushing, the next is no national borders and just one world one govenment. it saves a lot of money is one of the main points to suck you in with, just like a argument they use with the State governments. Hitler would be proud of them. But the problem is you end up with a dictatorship, not that that's a problem for the people who push it as they are all for dictatorship. it's all planned it's a done deal to them. Any govenment that stands back watching it's own industries fall is just a traitor to it's people. it's not just the car industry it's everything that it just does not support or help, fishing farmers etc etc. We are on track to becoming a 3rd world nation, just a backward bunch of yobbos a delinquent bunch of brats that ****ed everything we had up against the wall for just a load of bullshit. |
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16-01-2014, 10:37 AM | #15 | |||
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Getting back to the unaustralian bit for buying a foreign car over an aussie car, im firm in my belief that decades ago there where more true blue aussies and many of them would have almost had a fit at not supporting australia and buying aussie stuff ............including cars . Maybe im wrong but I like the idea of putting yourself out for your country a little bit even if many like myself cant actively do it a lot of the time because of lack of funds, but im a realist we are a different country today, attitudes are different, we are more materialistic and more about looking after number one, me included I suppose. Im sure there are many families here on the forum where the parents spoiled the kids and then the kids of their kids because they did not want them to go through the hardships the oldies went through in the old days. Of this I have no doubt we have become a country a little bit soft and selfish up to a point, and in my view we might pay or are paying a price already for not being as selfless as our parents and grand parents where. At the very least our politicians should be pushing buy australian ........... instead of the deathly silence........... screw the fta. I might add I totally agree with Mr Mullalay. |
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17-01-2014, 12:47 PM | #16 | ||||
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I am all for buying Australian made but I am not going to go out of my way and pay a premium for something that has no tangible benefits. For example when i was looking at a bedroom suite a couple of years back I was looking for Australian made. I was prepared to pay a little more but the price difference was near double for something identical. I'm sorry but I couldn't see any benefit. I don't have unlimited funds and it is the same with cars. Ford, Holden and Toyota do not have anything in their local range that would suit my needs or I am remotely interested in. I put myself out a couple of years back to support the local product and I won't do it again unless there is a need in my purchase to do so. Many and myself included buy a car for a specific purpose and sometimes we shell out a little more for something better if we can. I chose the Focus because a large car was wasteful in all areas and I chose the XR5 because nothing else in the Ford range interested me. Was I looking after myself? Sure was, I work long hours each day and my reward was to buy the Focus. Some here can throw around $$ for a car and not think twice but for me a car is a big investment and I want to make sure I get the best within budget and I enjoy driving. I am sure there are others like this too. Now if I am un Australian for doing this then so be it. I don't support multi billion dollar organisations that have a primary purpose to deliver a product and that product isn't competitive enough with others in the market. Put simply the locals have come a long way but are still so far behind and are now feeling the consequence of their mediocrity. Quote:
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16-01-2014, 10:42 AM | #17 | |||
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Buy Australian and support YOUR country! WE are now the dumping ground for all the imported rubbish, i.e. SKODA etc. |
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16-01-2014, 10:46 AM | #18 | |||
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AND THATS THE POINT. The Falcon was not, the Commodore was "given" a chance and thats not bolding well either. So blame the companies for not integrating the products into their portfolio, also blame the Gov a little for making the decision easy for them aswell. The LAST person you can blame is the buying public, "build it and they will come" works when the product being built is perceived to have value.
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16-01-2014, 11:23 AM | #19 | ||
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16-01-2014, 01:17 PM | #20 | |||
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12-02-2014, 11:07 AM | #21 | ||
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12-02-2014, 01:55 PM | #22 | ||
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Your quote makes no sense, if your refering to my car it was hardly cheap in my eyes.
Where is your NEW aussie falcon?
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17-02-2014, 03:14 PM | #23 | ||
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17-01-2014, 03:44 PM | #26 | ||
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For history buffs, check out the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation , manufacturers of OUR superior versions of the P51 Mustang and F86 Sabre (substantially redesigne by us) which were manufactured at Fishermans Bend.
(I was one of the last to land there but long after aircraft production had ceased) How many first think of OUR history when Fishermans Bend is mentioned?. You don't do that without trade skills!
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16-01-2014, 11:12 AM | #27 | ||
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Kiwikilda's post from my thread "Gm asked to give up Holden brand name", pretty appropriate here imo -
You would think that with Australia with a Technical Edge and Leadership shown by Drivers like Hulme and Brabham a real instead of a "Pretend" Australian Brand or Marque could be formed The Truth is it is technical political and ideological subservience that is the "issue" Australia should be designing and manufacturing it's own military equipment on shore as well " Like it used to" To use an example Review "The Diggers Darling" the australian made and designed Owen Submachine gun and the story behind that delaying its production is estimated as costing 20,000 australian lives and when soemone does something superior here there is that patronising stupidity that we should take all our lead from "offshore" Brands are one thing Aus made Holdens and Fords were great Cars I don't think when it comes to manufacturing and its real importance people fail to realise the course they are setting for this Country? The Owen Submachine Gun and the Repco Brabham are my two favourites of Australian industrial Design The story behind them is as important as the technical superiority they had for their time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT24 http://youtu.be/Km65jQdT8V8 Formula 1: Nurburgring 1967 Race Review What went wrong? Was that not enough of an example? You can only create and environment for manufacturing when you are a "technical nationalist" and "patriot" Our political leaders will whine about branding while ignoring all the hurdles they put up and the focus in western society is on bribing with welfare for votes instead of tax breaks for "Research and Development" on shore
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16-01-2014, 11:24 AM | #28 | ||
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Flight Data Recorder (CSIRO) and one could go on....
Once you lose manufacturing capacity and capability you are more likely to lose design capability as well and much less R&D......it's a slippery slope that the white collar brigade have set us on IMO.
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16-01-2014, 11:28 AM | #30 | ||
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Calling people un-Australian for having an Australian flag on their car on Oz day is going a bit too far I think, but I can see the irony. Especially as those flags are probably made in bloody china!
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