E85 Fallen on its ***?

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 11:06 AM

Well they still have E10 in some servos around Melbourne but not many seem to use it and even the E85 Commadore was a COMPLETE flop I have only seen a few on road ever....

Anyone using E85 in other states?

Was'nt it going to go huge in the U.S?

Thankgod the whole Ethanol industry is BS!

jpd80 · 05-01-2014, 11:13 AM

There is absolutely no compelling case for E85 in Australia, the need barely exists in the USA
where it's heavily subsidiesd by the government through assistance to corn farmers.

The only reason it exists at all int eh USA is by virtue of being a renewable energy source
and by making vehicles E85 compliant, manufacturers get credits for their CAFE limits.

The whole thing is a giant chocolate teapot.

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 11:17 AM

Well luckily the Oz government didn't go subsidising Holden with the E85 Commo and making it some big stupid, expensive, wasteful industry that only Holden get away with then....

Sucked in Holden your E85 Commadore was ****!

burnz · 05-01-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Well luckily the Oz government didn't go subsidising Holden with the E85 Commo and making it some big stupid, expensive, wasteful industry that only Holden get away with then....

Sucked in Holden your E85 Commadore was ****!

what are you on about?
their is no special run of E85 commos.... they all can all use E10~E85.
omega to calais

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

what are you on about?
their is no special run of E85 commos.... they all can all use E10~E85.
omega to calais

Well they have E85 badges on the boot......Point is either E10 or anything in between up to E85 has'nt been very popular at all for 'normal' drivers.

Which is great for me because I am an LPG man!

pottery beige · 05-01-2014, 11:53 AM

wtf...

burnz · 05-01-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Well they have E85 badges on the boot......Point is either E10 or anything in between up to E85 has'nt been very popular at all for 'normal' drivers.

Which is great for me because I am an LPG man!

E85 designates SS man
AFM designates SS auto (E85)

as for lpg give it time, price will kill it.

b0son · 05-01-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Which is great for me because I am an LPG man!

Just like your and everyone else's granddad. Do you have beaded seat covers too?

ratter · 05-01-2014, 11:40 AM

there are lots of modded cars using it these days

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ratter

there are lots of modded cars using it these days

Ye its o.k for modded cars because yes the octane rating is higher but for daily driver cars its useless and false economy.....Not to mention the energy that is wasted to produce it!

And why if the V8 supercars are running it ar'nt Holden selling SS's with E85 fuel systems???

Because ITS ****!!!!!

T4ME · 05-01-2014, 11:55 AM

17ltrs per 100kms on E85 great fuel

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 12:16 PM

Well its been about five years now since this fuel came out......How come thers barely ANY servos with full E85 pumps.....Actually I have NEVER seen an E85 pump in Melbourne anywhere.

If its so good why ar'nt the Japs/Asians selling E85 cars here???

pottery beige · 05-01-2014, 12:23 PM

its peanuts like you why i hate LPG

jmack · 05-01-2014, 12:34 PM

seems to be a running theme with this bloke right across this forum,if its not something he has /believes in, then then its crap

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 12:51 PM

Just sayin....... Luckily Ford never wasted their time with it and went with the EcoLpi.

**Dave R** · 05-01-2014, 03:58 PM

The Pub strikes again. There isn't a specific E85 Commodore model. They all run E85.

I feed my SS E85 (United), I like the stuff. It's much cheaper than 98, which probably ends up balancing out with the increased fuel consumption, but I'm not using it to save money. The car goes harder (and even sounds better) on the stuff, the exhaust tips don't carbon up like they do with 98, the exhaust fumes smell sweet like sugar which is hilarious and it's better for the environment. I have a United closeby so it's a no-brainer for me.

kevino · 05-01-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

The Pub strikes again. There isn't a specific E85 Commodore model. They all run E85.

I feed my SS E85 (United), I like the stuff. It's much cheaper than 98, which probably ends up balancing out with the increased fuel consumption, but I'm not using it to save money. The car goes harder (and even sounds better) on the stuff, the exhaust tips don't carbon up like they do with 98, the exhaust fumes smell sweet like sugar which is hilarious and it's better for the environment. I have a United closeby so it's a no-brainer for me.

I like the logic you use here.............and it is mainly Australian sourced energy from local non food crops. Reduces our reliance on foreign oil and better for the environment.

b0son · 05-01-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

The Pub strikes again. There isn't a specific E85 Commodore model. They all run E85.

Do you know if the VFs still run it?

**Dave R** · 05-01-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Do you know if the VFs still run it?

Absolutely. Every petrol engine in the range is E85 ready, from 3.0 Evoke to 6.0 SS.

You can browse their recommended fuels in the spec sheets here: http://www.holden.com.au/cars/commod...specifications

Itsme · 05-01-2014, 01:06 PM

E85 is probably like LPG, not every one want to use it.

EcoLPi will be dead in a few years, wait & see.

ratter · 05-01-2014, 01:06 PM

plenty of E85 pumps around

burnz · 05-01-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

plenty of E85 pumps around

you got that right...
http://www.flexfuelkit.com.au/articl...el-/Page1.html

just Caltex in link

other links for united are around aswell.

mcnews · 05-01-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

plenty of E85 pumps around

Reckon at least 100km from me to find one and I am hot exactly in the boonies. 1.5 hours from Melbourne airport

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Reckon at least 100km from me to find one and I am hot exactly in the boonies. 1.5 hours from Melbourne airport

No offence McNews but you are aloooong way outta town.......Lucky you up ther away from all the traffic!

What I am saying is even in metro Melbs ther are stuff all E85 pumps.....E10 yes but why even bother?

What I am trying to say is this apparent new 'enviro friendly' fuel has fallen off a cliff......Five years is along time and its still not popular amongst the masses.

burnz · 05-01-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

No offence McNews but you are aloooong way outta town.......Lucky you up ther away from all the traffic!

What I am saying is even in metro Melbs ther are stuff all E85 pumps.....E10 yes but why even bother?

What I am trying to say is this apparent new 'enviro friendly' fuel has fallen off a cliff......Five years is along time and its still not popular amongst the masses.

why would a oil company sell something that hurts it bottom line?

if bundy distillers setup their own sevos, a different thread would emerge.

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

why would a oil company sell something that hurts it bottom line?

if bundy distillers setup their own sevos, a different thread would emerge.

Well if its so good why hav'nt all the servo's converted to mostly Ethanol pumps???

They hav'nt because the consumers don't like it...... Supply and demand!

ratter · 05-01-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

What I am saying is even in metro Melbs ther are stuff all E85 pumps.....E10 yes but why even bother?

.

82 united servo's within 50 klms of Melbourne, have no idea about Caltex ones, yep stuff all around Melbourne

mik · 05-01-2014, 01:35 PM

Don't see many e85 servos on the north side of melb, I saw one the other day for the first time in a long time........... got me thinking how few I see,
it's a bit of a contradiction if it's cheaper but at the same time you need more of it to go the same distance.
I'd rather lpg anytime.

Bossxr8 · 05-01-2014, 02:16 PM

I think it's a flop. Seriously how many cars do you think regularly run it. It wouldn't be many.

Holden spent millions making the Commode E85 compatible and i'd take a guess that less than 1% would run it on it. Total WOFTAM. Costaka went into partnership with GM to make ethanol from rubbish but it was a total bust and never went ahead.

It's good for making power in blown cars but beyond the power gains there is nothing else it has going for it, it won't save you money nor be better for the environment.

GASWAGON · 05-01-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I think it's a flop. Seriously how many cars do you think regularly run it. It wouldn't be many.

Holden spent millions making the Commode E85 compatible and i'd take a guess that less than 1% would run it on it. Total WOFTAM. Costaka went into partnership with GM to make ethanol from rubbish but it was a total bust and never went ahead.

It's good for making power in blown cars but beyond the power gains there is nothing else it has going for it, it won't save you money nor be better for the environment.

Exactly, same as methanol.....Great for the drag strip but for 'normal' daily driving it is useless. Only hi comp engines benefit from it.

And as I said how come Toyota/Honda/Mazda and the rest hav'nt gone anywhere near it??? Its been five years now it should have taken over petrol if it was worth it....