QLD 1KM over Only Applies in the 60km speed zone!!!!!

[csv8]

A DROP in the tolerance margin for speeding of just 1km/h is likely to deliver at least $9 million extra in fines over the next year.

In the first week of July, when police first started enforcing the lower tolerance, 7268 drivers were caught exceeding the 60km/h limit, compared

Although more time was devoted to speed enforcement in the period this year, the rate of detection was still up by 13.6 per cent (from 15.71 for every 1000 vehicles to 17.85).

Based on the minimum speeding fine of $146 for exceeding the limit by up to 13km/h, the increased detections in that one week would have resulted in $173,000 of extra revenue for the state.

The new tolerance level is being used for 60km/h zones and police are understood to be planning to extend the new regime to other speed limits.

It is understood the change in tolerance amounts to just 1km/h and only applies in the 60km/h zone - where most offenders are caught.

Queensland Police Service refuse to reveal the new tolerance levels.

The hours of operation by speed cameras in the first week of July was 891, compared with 755 the same period last year.

Road safety campaigner Russell White said motorists should be treating the speed limit as a "limit" and not be concerned with how much faster they can go without being fined.

"It seems people expect more lenience, and to me there's a broader underlying issue of why we've got to push every possible margin," said Mr White, the founder of Fatality Free Friday.

"After all, speed enforcement is a user pays system, and if you do the right thing you have nothing to worry about."

Steve Spalding, from Queensland's peak motoring body RACQ, said drivers should realise that speed limits were in place to help keep them safe.

"Our advice to motorists is that they should always treat the posted limit as the maximum speed limit, and they should not assume there is any tolerance or allowable margin," Mr Spalding said.

"The police don't clarify if or what that is for a reason, and under some road conditions it may be that the safe speed at which to travel is lower again."

A reduction in tolerance margins for other speed zones may occur once it is established that the State Traffic Camera Office can cope with the increase in detections, police sources revealed.

A Queensland Police Service spokeswoman said the drop in speeding tolerances was a "road safety initiative that we hope will save lives".

"The level of speed tolerances won't be revealed to avoid creating a de facto speed limit," said the spokeswoman.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226680973096

My Comment : Do we need any more proof that speed cameras are nothing but revenue raisers ??????

[flappist]

Oh and RACQ are on side eh?

A spokesman from RACQ talking about road safety is like the manager of your local RSL talking about defence strategy.....

[Tysonv48]

So if your tyre psi's are wrong and you sit on 60 your going to get done for speeding, what a joke hopefully no other states follow suit.

[xxx000]

like they say people need to treat all posted speed limits as that, the limit, and not as the speed to travel at.
it really isn't that hard to deal with and adjust to surely?
If all limits were raised by 10kmh I'd expect some would still complain when they got caught still doing a few km/h over the new limit

[FPV+fteT3]

That equals a slight down hill grade with the cruise on and you could be done.
If this is correct it is a joke and if it is correct the system as we already know is very wrong. Do the idiots who think up these rules consider you can only push people so far before they react.
Why are states in such dire straights they have to resort to these kind of measures? The answer is successive govt's have sold off all other income providing assets for small financial gains, proceeded to blow the windfall money, and now have no other revenue income its the same for all states.
Motorists are the easy target but one must wonder for how much longer before all hell breaks loose, anarchy can not be far away.

[fanboi]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

That equals a slight down hill grade with the cruise on and you could be done.
If this is correct it is a joke and if it is correct the system as we already know is very wrong. Do the idiots who think up these rules consider you can only push people so far before they react.
Why are states in such dire straights they have to resort to these kind of measures? The answer is successive govt's have sold off all other income providing assets for small financial gains, proceeded to blow the windfall money, and now have no other revenue income its the same for all states.
Motorists are the easy target but one must wonder for how much longer before all hell breaks loose, anarchy can not be far away.

why would you use cruise at 60 anyway, most 60 zones you should be alert and ready to react not using cruise

[flappist]

Originally Posted by fanboi

why would you use cruise at 60 anyway, most 60 zones you should be alert and ready to react not using cruise

But how can you be alert and ready to react when you are concentrating on your speedo instead of the road and footpaths around you?

Remember these are the people who are against flashing warning lights at schools when the zones are active.

I wonder why when they are patrolling school zones they don't have the disco flashing.
That would definitely make sure everyone slowed down.

After all it is about saving kids lives not making money.......

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by xxx000

like they say people need to treat all posted speed limits as that, the limit, and not as the speed to travel at.
it really isn't that hard to deal with and adjust to surely?
If all limits were raised by 10kmh I'd expect some would still complain when they got caught still doing a few km/h over the new limit

Probably so, but that's besides the point, these changes aren't about road safety it's all about revenue.

Just recently around parts of Sydney, there were streets with a 40kph speed limit, & now they've gone & changed them to 40kph school zones, why?
Not to protect the children or for general road safety, because the streets were already 40kph, they've done it because school zones attract higher fines.

We'll have to wait a few months to see if this reduced tolerance has any road toll reductions or not, (I'd say not).

But you only need to look at official numbers in other states, (NSW & Vic.) to see that lower speed tolerance & more speed cameras, don't result in less fatalities, only more revenue.

e.g. NSW has a population of approx. 7.25 million people & the road toll to June (2013) is 160.
Vic. has a population of around 5.62 million people & the road toll to June (2013) is 114.

If you look at the ratio of road deaths to population in both states, the figures are almost identical.
Victoria has about 72% of the NSW population, & has around 71% of the number of deaths to NSW. Qld's probably about the same?
This makes the ratio the same. If Vic. had the same population as NSW, statistics say they'd have the same number of road fatalities.

Now Vic. has a much lower speed tolerance to NSW, & Vic. has many more speed cameras & speed traps (mobile &/or police radar) over NSW, but the road toll is almost the same % per population, so doesn't that mean the extra speed enforcement isn't working, reducing fatalities & making the roads safer, it's only getting the Vic. Government more revenue?

[westy73]

Originally Posted by xxx000

like they say people need to treat all posted speed limits as that, the limit, and not as the speed to travel at.
it really isn't that hard to deal with and adjust to surely?
If all limits were raised by 10kmh I'd expect some would still complain when they got caught still doing a few km/h over the new limit

I thought when we were driving a car the idea was to be alert. More constant gazing at the speedo especially in hilly areas means more time spent not watching the road. I for one would still prefer to be done over the speed limit if I can watch the road for any hazards.
I think bureaucrats need a limit to the amount of stupidity they are allowed to enforce on us plebs.

[TRAU BLAU]

Originally Posted by westy73

I thought when we were driving a car the idea was to be alert. More constant gazing at the speedo especially in hilly areas means more time spent not watching the road. I for one would still prefer to be done over the speed limit if I can watch the road for any hazards.
I think bureaucrats need a limit to the amount of stupidity they are allowed to enforce on us plebs.

I entirely agree.Speed signs that come & go[road-works etc]are a real worry.Prior to recently receiving a fine for exceeding a 40k limit I thought I saw a worker pointing a radar gun at me hidden behind construction gear.Going uphill in me ol' wagon on the Kuranda range road,concentrating on keeping left from the sweeping semi's & negotiating bends I've got to forget all that & just watch closely for temporary speed-signs & my speedometer!Also traffic infringements[fines etc]should be sent to the vehicle registration address & not the residential address if their mail is sent there!

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by xxx000

like they say people need to treat all posted speed limits as that, the limit, and not as the speed to travel at.
it really isn't that hard to deal with and adjust to surely?
If all limits were raised by 10kmh I'd expect some would still complain when they got caught still doing a few km/h over the new limit

are you one of those people thats does 40kmh in a 60 zone and 80 to 90 in a 100kmh zone?


this one kmh over is a joke
we all know it
theres about 5 things that could effect the car by a couple of kmh

so we are all to do ten under the limit now??

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

are you one of those people thats does 40kmh in a 60 zone and 80 to 90 in a 100kmh zone?


this one kmh over is a joke
we all know it
theres about 5 things that could effect the car by a couple of kmh

so we are all to do ten under the limit now??

So...what's your problem Merc...can't get used to the idea that a speed limit is just that.."A limit". There is absolutely no rule, written nor implied, that states that you must travel at the limit. You can drive at what ever speed you like, as long as you don't exceed that limit. You can, of course attract attention if you travel and an unreasonably slow speed. So xxxOOO has the right to travel at 90 in a 100 k zone if he or she dam well chooses to do so.
Oh yeah...in case you wonder..I choose to travel at the limit....when safe to do so.

[westy73]

Ok I have a question. If I sit on 60 in my Territory am I doing 60 or 56 ? If I sit on 65 am I doing 61 ?
The error here is ludicrous especially as we don't know what our speedos are actually set to have as an allowable tolerance. What about my old XY ? What about any car we own. Do we all as car owners now have to have our speedos checked and calibrated each year by some third party ? What the hell is happening to our poor country. Friggin NANNY state is just getting worse and worse and worse.
I have a solution....let's all go back to horse and cart and get rid of these nasty speeding death machines or cars as they're called.
Why don't people start complaining to their local members. It will only get worse if you don't have a voice or if you simply become a lemming and go with the flow. You'd think we were all criminals they way they carry on. 1km/hr you have got to be kidding.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by csv8

It is understood the change in tolerance amounts to just 1km/h and only applies in the 60km/h zone - where most offenders are caught.

Some people might read that as "the change in the tolerance is 1km/h less than what it was in 60 zones" - not that the tolerance is a total of 1km/h in 60 zones. I'd imagine my suggestion is more accurate, but don't want to test the theory and don't know what the total tolerance actually is.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Some people might read that as "the change in the tolerance is 1km/h less than what it was in 60 zones" - not that the tolerance is a total of 1km/h in 60 zones. I'd imagine my suggestion is more accurate, but don't want to test the theory and don't know what the total tolerance actually is.

That is exactly right, they go on to say the police wont disclose the exact tolerance, so if it was now 60+1 it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work that out would it.
The opening line of the OP explains it is only a DROP of 1k in the tolerance, not a drop to 60+1k, so if the previous tolerance was 5k say, it would now be 4k, however, that line doesn't support the whinge fest so it was left un highlighted.
Its no wonder you mob aren't taken seriously up there, what with a thread every other week about how tough it is, and then threads like this with misleading titles.

[westy73]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

That is exactly right, they go on to say the police wont disclose the exact tolerance, so if it was now 60+1 it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work that out would it.
The opening line of the OP explains it is only a DROP of 1k in the tolerance, not a drop to 60+1k, so if the previous tolerance was 5k say, it would now be 4k, however, that line doesn't support the whinge fest so it was left un highlighted.

The fact of the matter is if it was about road safety then make it 0 tolerance. Don't be sneaky and keep tolerances to yourself and then say gotcha when they reduce tolerances by 1,2,3 or whatever. It seems to me we live in a gotcha society or as some prefer to call it NANNY STATE.
And I for one think it it's good to whinge because it shows I AM PASSIONATE about driving and about issues. If you prefer not to listen to the whingers then don't read them. It's a free country or at least it was. I refuse to let the LEMMINGS rule me.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by westy73

The fact of the matter is if it was about road safety then make it 0 tolerance. Don't be sneaky and keep tolerances to yourself and then say gotcha when they reduce tolerances by 1,2,3 or whatever. It seems to me we live in a gotcha society or as some prefer to call it NANNY STATE.
And I for one think it it's good to whinge because it shows I AM PASSIONATE about driving and about issues. If you prefer not to listen to the whingers then don't read them. It's a free country or at least it was. I refuse to let the LEMMINGS rule me.

Cool, personally I couldn't be bothered going over this rubbish again so I will leave you all to it.

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Some people might read that as "the change in the tolerance is 1km/h less than what it was in 60 zones" - not that the tolerance is a total of 1km/h in 60 zones. I'd imagine my suggestion is more accurate, but don't want to test the theory and don't know what the total tolerance actually is.

So if the tolerance level is dropping by 1km/h, from a unknown number, to another unknown number, how much outrage can a driver actually experience!!!!

[TRAU BLAU]

A new Speed Camera has just been installed at the foot of the Kuranda Range Road,Cairns.If anyone knows anymore more cameras in this vicinity please let me know.Mirriwinni is a hot spot for seed cams.

[westy73]

Also how about we start getting Governments investing that 'Raised' Revenue and put it back into improving the roads. If they want to raise money from car drivers how about spending it in the same area and improve the roads. Start with Highway 1 in Qld.

[steve.zissou]

do you guys know how slow 1kmh is.

FFS stephen hawkings could run faster than 1kmh.

Hows this for an idea, becuase the speed limit was 60 kmph 30 years ago when cars had drum breaks and cross ply tyres and no crumple zones - well now they have all this extra stuff why dont they leave the speed limit at 60 and give every one a 10% buffer as opposed to making the speed limit 65km/ph which is what they should do becuase the cars are all safer

or if they really wanted to be d!^cks about why dont they drop the limit down to 55 and have a 10% buffer - oh that right because that wouldnt fit their "bendover and take it" financial model.

I have full points, havnt had an accident in 15 years and actually pay attention and drive to conditions - which may entail driving 30 kms over the speed limit in certain places.

the only concession i give there bs artists is that if you are paying attention to the road, you should be able to see even a well hidden speed camera (hence my full points)

I would like to see the statistics on percentages of accident caused by going 2 km over the limit (I dare say none)

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

FFS stephen hawkings could run faster than 1kmh.

No, he couldn't. Given that he is almost completely paralysed I think you're completely off the mark there because he can not run at all.

PS. I agree with BENT_8 about the value of this thread.

[TRAU BLAU]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

do you guys know how slow 1kmh is.

FFS stephen hawkings could run faster than 1kmh.

Hows this for an idea, becuase the speed limit was 60 kmph 30 years ago when cars had drum breaks and cross ply tyres and no crumple zones - well now they have all this extra stuff why dont they leave the speed limit at 60 and give every one a 10% buffer as opposed to making the speed limit 65km/ph which is what they should do becuase the cars are all safer

or if they really wanted to be d!^cks about why dont they drop the limit down to 55 and have a 10% buffer - oh that right because that wouldnt fit their "bendover and take it" financial model.

I have full points, havnt had an accident in 15 years and actually pay attention and drive to conditions - which may entail driving 30 kms over the speed limit in certain places.

the only concession i give there bs artists is that if you are paying attention to the road, you should be able to see even a well hidden speed camera (hence my full points)

I would like to see the statistics on percentages of accident caused by going 2 km over the limit (I dare say none)

Yes,that's the trouble with the LAW!The people who do the right thing[usually,& always when it's safe to do so]tend to get "shafted" or penalised along with the hoons & idiots.I s'pose it boils down to the "can't live with 'em can't live without em' saying.

[LG17]

As far as I know, the tolerances in Queensland for speedo's is still 10% unless they've sneakily changed it. If that is the case, the police cannot enforcibly fine you for doing 60 - 65kmh.

[barra64]

qld camera tolerance used be +11 then +10 and recently +9..not just in 60km zones..i thought kms but could be percent..

i got done on the 110 to 100 changeover on the highway in the far right overtaking lane on an 8 lane divided highway (for 110)..bad timing..

if you criminalise normal driving you make more money..

[blackf6]

meh drive how you like. Who's scared of a fine?flash for cashe'. Lower tolerances mean stuff all to me, I will drive how I like when I like. Except if the popo are tailing me

[my_gxl]

As long as they fine the nanny drivers who are 10km under every limit for no reason then I don't mind.

[Alan D Segal]

^^^^ As if they'll ever do that

[my_gxl]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

^^^^ As if they'll ever do that

They can and should actually do it.

Thought you were staying out of this thread due to no value?

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by my_gxl

Thought you were staying out of this thread due to no value?

No, I agreed the thread was of little to no value, not that I was out of it. Thanks for your concern though.