10 second car, what do I need to race

[brad24]

My XT is knocking on the door of a 10 second pass.
What do I need to do to be able to race the car & keep ANDRA happy?

[Black F6]

Andra licence and cage

[4VCLEVO]

Read this
http://www.andra.com.au/images/stori...treference.pdf

[brad24]

Originally Posted by 4VCLEVO

Read this
http://www.andra.com.au/images/stori...treference.pdf

Cheers mate, spot on

[brad24]

Whats involved in getting an ANDRA licence?

Cheers Brad

[63futura]

Originally Posted by brad24

My XT is knocking on the door of a 10 second pass.
What do I need to do to be able to race the car & keep ANDRA happy?

Are you thinking of racing Brad or just doing Wednesday nights ?
We can run as low as 10.5s before we need cage on a wednesday night but im not 100% sure about racing events

[brad24]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Are you thinking of racing Brad or just doing Wednesday nights ?
We can run as low as 10.5s before we need cage on a wednesday night but im not 100% sure about racing events

Im not sure 100% Wayne, just weighing up pro's & cons,
Some mates do the nostalgia meet & I believe that comes under ANDRA rules.
Id like to give that a run
Im going to take the old girl down again on the 21st.
Are you going to be able to give yours a run then?
It would be nice to meet up mate

[63futura]

Originally Posted by brad24

Im not sure 100% Wayne, just weighing up pro's & cons,
Some mates do the nostalgia meet & I believe that comes under ANDRA rules.
Id like to give that a run
Im going to take the old girl down again on the 21st.
Are you going to be able to give yours a run then?
It would be nice to meet up mate

Im hoping to be there by then Brad
Just got a couple of gremlins to get rid of first

[brad24]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Im hoping to be there by then Brad
Just got a couple of gremlins to get rid of first

Always the Gremlins hey,

Andrew is going to bring his 66 mustang down on the same night as well (the car with the 427 that Simon built)

It will be nice to see the Ford chrome bumpers amongst the sea of commodores

[Ivan]

10.99 and lower is an Unlimited Licence. You will require a medical certificate.

[brad24]

Originally Posted by Ivan

10.99 and lower is an Unlimited Licence. You will require a medical certificate.

So medical cert, then what else is involved?
Any driving requirements?
Ive had motorcycle road racing liceces & that required actually riding your bike with the club captain
How much is a licence?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by brad24

So medical cert, then what else is involved?
Any driving requirements?
Ive had motorcycle road racing liceces & that required actually riding your bike with the club captain
How much is a licence?

usually you have to do a couple licensing test passes, they watch u do a burnout, 60ft, 1/2 track then a full track pass before they sign off on it.

[dieseltrain79]

Contact andra .

They have all the licence info and pricing .

Bout 370 for unlimited , you will run in Super Sedan .

You have to ask , adding the weight of cage , will that put you back on 11.0 ??

[brad24]

Originally Posted by dieseltrain79

Contact andra .

They have all the licence info and pricing .

Bout 370 for unlimited , you will run in Super Sedan .

You have to ask , adding the weight of cage , will that put you back on 11.0 ??

Thanks for that
How much will a cage weigh roughly?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by brad24

Thanks for that
How much will a cage weigh roughly?

i think a 6-point chromoly cage weighs around 25kg.

[63futura]

Originally Posted by brad24

Thanks for that
How much will a cage weigh roughly?

Brad once you cage it you either have to register it as a 2 seater and remove rears or unregister it
We cant run cages on the street here without big dramas

[brad24]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Brad once you cage it you either have to register it as a 2 seater and remove rears or unregister it
We cant run cages on the street here without big dramas

One of my carpenters at work had Scott from torque fabrications make up a bolt in cage. Its a pain in the bum to get in & out but it can be done.
Thats what I was thinking of doing

[63futura]

Originally Posted by brad24

One of my carpenters at work had Scott from torque fabrications make up a bolt in cage. Its a pain in the bum to get in & out but it can be done.
Thats what I was thinking of doing

Think there only good for 10.00
Spose if ANDRAs cut off is 10.99 then could be worth it but if there cut off is 10.5 same as wednesday nights then is it worth all that hasle for .5 ?

[XT302]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Brad once you cage it you either have to register it as a 2 seater and remove rears or unregister it
We cant run cages on the street here without big dramas

In nsw you need padding, no side intrusion bars (or removable ones) but don't need to unregister or register as two seater, jeez you have it hard. So strange how state to state in same country laws can be so different. Lenient in some areas and stringent in others....shame really as the overwhelming majority of people really try to do the right thing in my experience.

As for cages Brad (sorry iPhone won't let me post a link) go to you tube. Type in XY GT 351 posted by Why Chuchie and have a good look at that cage, andra approved and can barely see it in car... With lightly tinted windows you'd have no hope of seeing it ...

[brad24]

Originally Posted by XT302

In nsw you need padding, no side intrusion bars (or removable ones) but don't need to unregister or register as two seater, jeez you have it hard. So strange how state to state in same country laws can be so different. Lenient in some areas and stringent in others....shame really as the overwhelming majority of people really try to do the right thing in my experience.

As for cages Brad (sorry iPhone won't let me post a link) go to you tube. Type in XY GT 351 posted by Why Chuchie and have a good look at that cage, andra approved and can barely see it in car... With lightly tinted windows you'd have no hope of seeing it ...

Thanks Garret

[prasac]

is the car tubbed or untubbed?

[brad24]

Originally Posted by prasac

is the car tubbed or untubbed?

The XT is untubbed, why is that?

I run a 275/50 M/T street radial at the moment

[dieseltrain79]

Bolt in 6 pt cage if standard tubs , has to be weld in if tubbed

[63futura]

Originally Posted by dieseltrain79

Bolt in 6 pt cage if standard tubs , has to be weld in if tubbed

So you could run a bolt in 6pt and run faster than 9.99s aslong as its not tubbed ?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by 63futura

So you could run a bolt in 6pt and run faster than 9.99s aslong as its not tubbed ?

i can't remember if it was a 8.99 or 9.99, im leaning towards 9.99, if dieseltrain can't member either have new book at brother's house can check tomorrow.

[dieseltrain79]

4.14.4 Single Rolover Hoop with removable support members

The following vehicles require a single rollover hoop covering the full width of the driver's compartment with two back stays , a side intrusion bar and taxi bar of bolted construction using Grade 8 or equivalent fasteners constructed to ANDRA requirements as a MINIMUM ! ( Utilities may use a FOUR point rol cage with intrusion bars / diagonals on both sides ) .

Unmodified cars ( ET 10.00 - 10.99 ) : with nmodified monocoque construction with fixed steel roof , slower than 10.00 ( 1/4 ) / 6.50 ( 1/8 ) but faster than 10.99 ( 1/4 ) / 7.00 ( 1/8 ) .

My understanding of that is , UNtubbed = unmodified , therefore a Bolt in 4 point cage with Bolt in Side instrusion bar which is always on drivers side ?

So a back half cage with bolt in drivers side intrusion bar is required for Unmodified chassis/tubs .....

Hope that helps , but if in doubt , contact your local Andra Tech inspector for more info .

This is from the 2013 Andra rule book .

4.14. Full 6 Point Roll Cage with Removable Support Members .

The Following vehicles require a full roll cage mounted at a minimum of 6 points with removable side intrusion bars . The intrusion bars must be the same diameter and thickness as specified in the material selection chart and must be attached using 3/8 inch ( 10mm ) Grade 8 bolts as a minimum .

UNMODIFIED CARS ( et 8.00 - 9.99 ) . Street registered cars with a fixed steel roof and Unmodified monocoque construction running between 8.00 and 9.99 ( 1/4 ) / 5.00 and 6.25 ( 1/8 ) or slower .

So STREET Registered cars with FIxed Steel roof and UNMODIFIED chassis or tubs , ONLY needs BOLT in 6 point CAGE with BOLT in removable side intrusion bars .

WOW SO basially you can keep your registered car with unmodified chassis / tubs , streetable with all seats available with some Hard Work of making a Bolt In 6 point cage !

Thats got to be appealling to alot of people ...

Thats cool .... DAMN cool

[63futura]

Originally Posted by dieseltrain79

4.14.4 Single Rolover Hoop with removable support members

The following vehicles require a single rollover hoop covering the full width of the driver's compartment with two back stays , a side intrusion bar and taxi bar of bolted construction using Grade 8 or equivalent fasteners constructed to ANDRA requirements as a MINIMUM ! ( Utilities may use a FOUR point rol cage with intrusion bars / diagonals on both sides ) .

Unmodified cars ( ET 10.00 - 10.99 ) : with nmodified monocoque construction with fixed steel roof , slower than 10.00 ( 1/4 ) / 6.50 ( 1/8 ) but faster than 10.99 ( 1/4 ) / 7.00 ( 1/8 ) .

My understanding of that is , UNtubbed = unmodified , therefore a Bolt in 4 point cage with Bolt in Side instrusion bar which is always on drivers side ?

So a back half cage with bolt in drivers side intrusion bar is required for Unmodified chassis/tubs .....

Hope that helps , but if in doubt , contact your local Andra Tech inspector for more info .

This is from the 2013 Andra rule book .

4.14. Full 6 Point Roll Cage with Removable Support Members .

The Following vehicles require a full roll cage mounted at a minimum of 6 points with removable side intrusion bars . The intrusion bars must be the same diameter and thickness as specified in the material selection chart and must be attached using 3/8 inch ( 10mm ) Grade 8 bolts as a minimum .

UNMODIFIED CARS ( et 8.00 - 9.99 ) . Street registered cars with a fixed steel roof and Unmodified monocoque construction running between 8.00 and 9.99 ( 1/4 ) / 5.00 and 6.25 ( 1/8 ) or slower .

So STREET Registered cars with FIxed Steel roof and UNMODIFIED chassis or tubs , ONLY needs BOLT in 6 point CAGE with BOLT in removable side intrusion bars .

WOW SO basially you can keep your registered car with unmodified chassis / tubs , streetable with all seats available with some Hard Work of making a Bolt In 6 point cage !

Thats got to be appealling to alot of people ...

Thats cool .... DAMN cool

Thanks for that
Ok so now how the hell do you get a 6 point cage in and out of a car ?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Thanks for that
Ok so now how the hell do you get a 6 point cage in and out of a car ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ySu1QjSZw

you will need a mouse to english translation

[63futura]

Originally Posted by prasac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ySu1QjSZw

you will need a mouse to english translation

Haha
So it can be bolt together ?
I though it would have to be one piece ?
Would be good if you could do 2 piece and bolt the 2 together then wouldnt be as hard to fit

[brad24]

Originally Posted by 63futura

Thanks for that
Ok so now how the hell do you get a 6 point cage in and out of a car ?

I went though it with Scott from torque fabrications mate.
He welds in plates with nuts on them on the floor/sill at the base of the B pillar, around your feet & on the parcel shelf. The B pillar hoop bolts to this, the side instrusion bar bolts to the B pillat hoop & the floor & the rear stays bolt from the B pillar hoop to the parcel shelf. The taxi bar bolts to the centre hoop. In my XT he says he welds in a permanent bar in the boot from the parcel shelf to the chassis rail. Hope that makes sense.
Its a ***** of a job to get it out but it can be done,
One of the boys at work have a similar set up in a HZ