Japanese Imports - Young Drivers

99AUXR · 08-10-2012, 07:15 PM

Well being 19 and "dumb" I sort of blew off the whole young kids too powerful cars scenario until a we while ago a few guys my age and under started getting into big HP cars. For example 1 guy my age owns a heavily modded S13 Silvia whilst another owns a heavily modded Evo 8. Anyway these things didnt really dawn on me until a kid who was in my brothers year at school recently imported a full drift spec 180SX from japan. In NZ we have no restrictions on what cars young kids may drive, the only thing is you wont see insurance. Anyway Im just venting about how readily accessible Japanese cars are with very high HP and low price. I just dont get it do the parents not have any control over these kids.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/news...egal-alien-187

capesy · 08-10-2012, 07:18 PM

you could do an importing business aslong as you can make money out of it after importing haha well that was my thoughts

99AUXR · 08-10-2012, 07:25 PM

Well thats what half these guys are doing lol, they are importing, thrashing the cars around with them listed on trademe. Sell them as soon as they get a decent offer and Import another. I mean there is no issue with it accept we are starting to get a massive amount of high hoursepower cars in the 5-10k bracket that would would have no issue keeping up with some of FPVs finest.

lockieoc · 08-10-2012, 07:55 PM

I'm actually confused about what your rant is... are you upset that Jap cars are cheap to buy and mod and make power to easily?

99AUXR · 08-10-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lockieoc

I'm actually confused about what your rant is... are you upset that Jap cars are cheap to buy and mod and make power to easily?

Sorry Im a bit overwhelmed that there isnt ANY restriction on a vehicle a kid can drive at the age of 15 onwards in NZ. Especially after seeing what some of the people do on friday nights at skids meet ups.

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Every young male in NZ is obsessed with drifting. They then go out and buy a RWD Nissan, lock the diff then go thrashing and crashing about in industrial estates and end up with a raft of charges against them.

Couldn't believe how much cars have come down in price like Evo V's for around 10-12k etc. pity petrols too expensive to own cars like that over there...

Any car that is Moderately thirsty is cheap here. My point is my younger brother could go out here tomorrow put down 8-10 on a modified late model STI and be wrapped around a post the next day. There is no restrictions on anything.

And yes NZ has a horrible amount of friday night drifting that goes on. First car on trademe after searching turbo comes up with description "Still goes hard and will get sideways easily. ", Next RB30DET 8K, 500HP...

Franco Cozzo · 08-10-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 99AUXR

Sorry Im a bit overwhelmed that there isnt ANY restriction on a vehicle a kid can drive at the age of 15 onwards in NZ. Especially after seeing what some of the people do on friday nights at skids meet ups.

Interesting, according to VicRoads they all should have died about 25 times by now.

Motorbreath310 · 08-10-2012, 07:57 PM

Every young male in NZ is obsessed with drifting. They then go out and buy a RWD Nissan, lock the diff then go thrashing and crashing about in industrial estates and end up with a raft of charges against them.

Couldn't believe how much cars have come down in price like Evo V's for around 10-12k etc. pity petrols too expensive to own cars like that over there...

99AUXR · 08-10-2012, 09:45 PM

Yea, I had three mates killed around June for absolutely stupid speeds down a back road. Then before that friends of my parents, they lost two of their kids, one in an STi going to fast and hit the edge of bridge. Not sure how they lost the other. And these are just isolated cases in 1 area.

All the govt has done is raise the driving age and change the time you must be on restricted. Still nothing governing power. Which needs to happen in my opinion. Especially with the flow on effects with the teens not being able to get insurance on there cars.

Kryton · 08-10-2012, 10:00 PM

Sorry, but im sick of this "Government needs to hold our hand" B.S.
Its time to GROW UP and take responsibility for your own actions and realise there ARE consequences for every action in life that you CHOOSE to take.
This "I can do whatever the *** I want" attitude that society has adopted needs to stop.

99AUXR · 08-10-2012, 10:17 PM

I dont think 15 yr olds have ever and will ever take responsibility for their actions.

Agree with the last bit about societys whatever I want attitude. But I dont know if you having a dig at me there :| Im just saying there needs to be restrictions placed. As kids living at home can work and earn money whilst having no living costs and buy quick cars that their naive parents dont even know how quick they are.

capesy · 08-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Once the 15 year olds start realising flogging a car to its limits and having their mates die because of it that will cause them to change the way they act. If they continue to do it once they have lost a couple of their mates die or have a family member die from it is absolutely stupid to me.

I am 17 years old, ive seen the affect of family members having crashes in high powered cars and seeing how much it affects the family and friends, has made me change my mind on how i will drive high powered cars and how i go about driving them

Cam · 08-10-2012, 11:09 PM

People will wrap themselves around poles regardless of driving evo's or an XF..

IMO kids should to be taught how to drive in modern 4/6cyl cars, something with ABS, some airbags, and driver training should be compulsory. After that, let them loose I say, if they are still stupid enough to drive like a looney they will do it in a crapbox, or an EVO..

pottery beige · 08-10-2012, 11:17 PM

poor things.. when we were 19yo we got around in hot 351s in $3k GTs......

hektik drifting pffffft...

powerslides baby...

TheZHLANE · 08-10-2012, 11:17 PM

If theres a will, theres a way.

Nova 8 · 08-10-2012, 11:35 PM

Doesnt matter if you're 20 or 40 getting into a high power car for the first time in your life CAN be dangerous if you dont respect that power. How having restrictions really helps IDK, sure you could argue that young drivers can learn in less powerful cars (which can still kill you regardless) but then when they can get these powerful cars they jump into them and kill themselves anyway. People (of all ages) kill themselves in things as wet as a holden cruze or as quick as a FPV. If your an idiot the type of car wont help, I remember when i was in high school my mate with his VS SS was extremely responsible but there was a near fatal accident out front involving not 1, but 3 hyundai xcels trying to out drift each other.

my_gxl · 10-10-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nova 8

Doesnt matter if you're 20 or 40 getting into a high power car for the first time in your life CAN be dangerous if you dont respect that power. How having restrictions really helps IDK, sure you could argue that young drivers can learn in less powerful cars (which can still kill you regardless) but then when they can get these powerful cars they jump into them and kill themselves anyway. People (of all ages) kill themselves in things as wet as a holden cruze or as quick as a FPV. If your an idiot the type of car wont help, I remember when i was in high school my mate with his VS SS was extremely responsible but there was a near fatal accident out front involving not 1, but 3 hyundai xcels trying to out drift each other.

Stuff the nanny state

Survival of the fittest I say

xisled · 09-10-2012, 12:28 AM

It was only around 5 or so years ago these laws came in. In 2002 to 2005 I had a vs ss, I drove on my p plates. Never got told off about it by the cops, even when I pulled a massive skid u turn in front of a unmarked cop car. Cop gave me a warning.

End of the day p players still killing them selves, the road toll here in aus has stayed at similar numbers etc.

Ben73 · 09-10-2012, 07:13 AM

Most countries do not restrict the cars young people can drive.
Surly there are more out there like us, but I don't know what other countries actually do restrict young drivers so much.

Sprint · 09-10-2012, 08:10 AM

this thread is nonsense and racist?why just jap cars?.. how about the amount of 19-21 year old's driving FG GT's here.

Somethings odd with that.

Vesper Martini · 09-10-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprint

this thread is nonsense and racist?why just jap cars?.. how about the amount of 19-21 year old's driving FG GT's here.

Somethings odd with that.

You can’t buy an FG GT for under 10K, besides that the FG GT would hold the road a bit better than a 290KW 180SX with no suspension.

I won’t say it will fix the problem but it would go a long way, would be to make insurance compulsory

2011G6E · 09-10-2012, 09:53 AM

If I was starting out again driving now, I'd probably look at one of the thousands of imports coming in from Japan...I started out back in 1982 with an ancient Mazda Capella and a 1953 Austin A30...what I wouldn't give to be starting out with something like a non-turbo Silvia S13 or R32 Skyline GT 2WD...the dynamics would be far superior, even as an older second hand car, to some of the buckets that a lot of young guys start out with...

mik · 09-10-2012, 11:57 AM

imo it does`nt matter what the car is, if it does over 60 kph you can do something dumb in it, i was no different to the majority of other young blokes with an excess of hormones and bravado, within the first 5 minutes of buying a very beat up 68 1600 cc cortina for my first legal car i had ascertained it would do xx mph.
even a small old car with about 60/70 hp will get you and possibly others into a coffin very quickly if you are unlucky and that way inclined,
the badge on the side and number of cylinders makes no difference at all, you could give a young bloke a golf cart that does 20 kph and he could do something dumb in it.

Ford_The_Win · 09-10-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

imo it does`nt matter what the car is, if it does over 60 kph you can do something dumb in it, i was no different to the majority of other young blokes with an excess of hormones and bravado, within the first 5 minutes of buying a very beat up 68 1600 cc cortina for my first legal car i had ascertained it would do xx mph.
even a small old car with about 60/70 hp will get you and possibly others into a coffin very quickly if you are unlucky and that way inclined,
the badge on the side and number of cylinders makes no difference at all, you could give a young bloke a golf cart that does 20 kph and he could do something dumb in it.

Yep spot on. Testosterone + frontal lobes that aren't fully developed = accidents.

TC200six · 09-10-2012, 12:11 PM

Funny how these days there is all this fear about young drivers in the hands of the wrong car. When I was in high school a guy in year 12 used to drive his car to school and what was the car? An EB V8 Fairmont with a complete EB GT bodykit. It had everything GT right from the fake scoop to the rear wing.
Today it amazes me that this is what a school student used as his car to get to school. Memories of a bygone era.

robbyj · 09-10-2012, 01:35 PM

i'd have a guess that the amount of people that go to the effort of importing these drift cars is far less then the lads that buy a sick as VN commy for 2k, disconnect the rear brakes and weld the diff.

I do agree with you 99AUXR that you should have greater restrictions in place. here in AUS i cant get a Nissan 350z because it is too powerful on my P plates. Even though it is an N/A 6, its considered too powerful. There is a list of other cars deemed too powerful. Other then V8's and T's.

Granted no matter what kind of car, there will be idiots killing them selves. Its just a lot easier to do so in a 500hp lightweight s13 then a falcon.
(including the safety features of a $10,000 falcon are a lot greater then 5-10k drift car)

dimka100 · 09-10-2012, 04:36 PM

Is this another Japanese imports bash up thread?

You know I see a lot more Bogans driving stupid in their old a ****** commodores/falcons than I see people do in a Japanese import.

In fact 10 years ago when I used to drive my twin turbo grey import, every bogan would try to race me … which was hardly the case for people driving Japanese imports!

I think most people who drive a decent Japanese import know they don’t need to prove anything to anyone, they cars have good worldwide reputation and acceptance, as for bogans, they always seem to try and prove something and it usually ends in tears …

xisled · 09-10-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyj

i'd have a guess that the amount of people that go to the effort of importing these drift cars is far less then the lads that buy a sick as VN commy for 2k, disconnect the rear brakes and weld the diff.

I do agree with you 99AUXR that you should have greater restrictions in place. here in AUS i cant get a Nissan 350z because it is too powerful on my P plates. Even though it is an N/A 6, its considered too powerful. There is a list of other cars deemed too powerful. Other then V8's and T's.

Granted no matter what kind of car, there will be idiots killing them selves. Its just a lot easier to do so in a 500hp lightweight s13 then a falcon.
(including the safety features of a $10,000 falcon are a lot greater then 5-10k drift car)

Not true for real drift car even one that only cost between 5 to 10k, most real drift cars will have racing seats, harness, roll cage, bigger brakes, better suspension etc, these cars are built to keep the driver alive if they hit a wall or another car on a track at high speed, so these cars should be safer.

But you are correct in saying the problem is a lightweight car that has 500hp and an idiot behind the wheel, no matter how old or young.

Problem comes when the owner builds the car for the street use only, puts the money into the motor not the safety of the car, this is not a drift car IMO.

robbyj · 09-10-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xisled

Not true for real drift car even one that only cost between 5 to 10k, most real drift cars will have racing seats, harness, roll cage, bigger brakes, better suspension etc, these cars are built to keep the driver alive if they hit a wall or another car on a track at high speed, so these cars should be safer.

But you are correct in saying the problem is a lightweight car that has 500hp and an idiot behind the wheel, no matter how old or young.

Problem comes when the owner builds the car for the street use only, puts the money into the motor not the safety of the car, this is not a drift car IMO.

Correct, i didnt mean proper full race spec cars actually used for drifting. The ones that the owner spent a bit of money on the motor, then it gets imported to do hekkaz drifts around local roads and industrial estates.

The more potential a car has, the more likely someone is going to use it. More power = more likely to kill.

This is not an import bashing thread either. If XR6T's were 5k, **** id be buying one! bang for back, and thats exactly what these imports are.

Franco Cozzo · 09-10-2012, 05:08 PM

Young people have always taken big risks, and they will continue to do so, unfortunately for some it ends in tears.

It doesn't matter how many laws you create or try to enforce, young kids will be young kids.

flappist · 09-10-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 99AUXR

Well being 19 and "dumb" I sort of blew off the whole young kids too powerful cars scenario until a we while ago a few guys my age and under started getting into big HP cars. For example 1 guy my age owns a heavily modded S13 Silvia whilst another owns a heavily modded Evo 8. Anyway these things didnt really dawn on me until a kid who was in my brothers year at school recently imported a full drift spec 180SX from japan. In NZ we have no restrictions on what cars young kids may drive, the only thing is you wont see insurance. Anyway Im just venting about how readily accessible Japanese cars are with very high HP and low price. I just dont get it do the parents not have any control over these kids.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/news...egal-alien-187

Just one point here....these "imports" about which you speak....are you comparing them to the young people's cars that are not imported?