30,000 lost their License in 12 months .....

[Auslandau]

It was reported today on the radio that over 30,000 drivers in Vic have lost there license over the past 12 months.

10,000 of those was due to court orders, (drink driving etc) with over 20,000 with the loss of demerit points ie: Camera or minor offences.

With this amount of people loosing their licenses, why aren't there less people on the road? These figures are increasing and has been reported that there are another 30,000 plus drivers with less than 3 points remaining. Point swapping amongst family and friends is rampant and if this transfering of points wasnt possible, the amount of cancelled license would be double!

............. the amount of people being caught driving without a license has increased dramatically naturally enough.

Staggering figures and cant see anything in the news but was reported on 3AW ........



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[4Vman]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...hlight=licence

17000 (57%) of those are P Platers....

[Ross-b]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...hlight=licence

17000 (57%) of those are P Platers....

p platers have less then half the amount of points as a full licence driver

dont know about over in vic but here in nsw its 1 speeding offence (no matter how little, i know of someone who lost it for doing 3 over in a 50 zone) and loss of licence.

not saying p platers are all angels but you cant look at these studys and blame p platers. sure im a p plater, i see alot of ppl speeding through the day, just last night i had a vn commo riding my **** because i was doing 70 in a 70 zone when it was semi wet (man i must have been holding traffic up) he then decided to dart in front of one of my mates and cut off 2 drivers. majority of the ppl i see speeding.. using a hand held mobile. not stopping at stop signs and taking off 10 2 seconds b4 the red turns green (another example of the rush some people are in) the majority of these people dont have p plates displayed

[platinumXR]

Everyone does it (speed, phone, no common sense), P platers and me included.

Just that some sook about it more than others when they get caught.

[Auslandau]

Well I suppose seeing they only have 5 points to loose ... IIRC .... it woulldnt take much for a new P plater to go through 2 speed and one red light cameras.



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[4Vman]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Well I suppose seeing they only have 5 points to loose ... IIRC .... it woulldnt take much for a new P plater to go through 2 speed and one red light cameras.

Even taking that into account its still grossly disproportionate though....

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Even taking that into account its still grossly disproportionate though....

A mate in my class just got his licence about 2 weeks ago, after the first week already lost 3 points for carrying more than one passenger his age, leaving him on 2 points.

The other guy was passed out in the boot haha.

[Marduk]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Even taking that into account its still grossly disproportionate though....

BS with less then half the points of a full driver it is so much easier to lose your license especially considering the gross prejudice towards P platers.

By the way i've had my Ps for 9 months and still haven't lost a single point or been pulled over. While I admit there are a lot of morons on Ps out there. There are just as many morons out there who aren't on there Ps.

[greenfoam]

Not really P platers drive for the fun of it, not many others do so they rack up alot more miles

[Pinkbits]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

Not really P platers drive for the fun of it, not many others do so they rack up alot more miles

What sort of statement is that?
Both my daughters on P plates rely on their license for their employment as do i.
They certainly don't drive for the fun of it.

[Zed7fiddy]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

What sort of statement is that?
Both my daughters on P plates rely on their license for their employment as do i.
They certainly don't drive for the fun of it.

I think he means there is a higher percentage of p platers that are out lappiing and crusiing as opposed to those of us with open licences.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by 67-FKD

I think he means there is a higher percentage of p platers that are out lappiing and crusiing as opposed to those of us with open licences.

That makes no sense either... you don't stop enjoying driving your car the min you come off P Plates.. ive averaged more K's per as a full licensed driver than i did as a P Plater.

[Yellow_Festiva]

I think this is why they have re-jigged the points system here in NSW. A heap of people were losing their ability to drive by breaking minor road rules a few times.

What was it, 3 points and $xxx fine for the first speeding (lowest) fine?? Would not be hard for an unlucky person to lose most of their points quick smart for doing what ALL of us do EVERY time we are on the road, that is... creep 5-10km over the limit.

[z80]

I wouldn't believe anything i hear on 3AW....

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by auslandau

With this amount of people loosing their licenses, why aren't there less people on the road?

Straight off the top of my head, I know of 2 people that have lost their licence but are still driving. I dont think it will stop a lot of people.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Straight off the top of my head, I know of 2 people that have lost their licence but are still driving. I dont think it will stop a lot of people.

I know of 1 too, racks points up regularly because he refuses to accept speed camera's exist. The stupid thing is he only slows down when he has no license...

[Zed7fiddy]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

That makes no sense either... you don't stop enjoying driving your car the min you come off P Plates.. ive averaged more K's per as a full licensed driver than i did as a P Plater.

congratulations, your one of the minority ;)

edited...quoted wrong post

[EDManual]

I certainly would drive with no licence, no problems (I havnt lost my licence however...had a few 12 point good behaviours though and would have if had to). And most people I know would too and some have.

Its just not right that for some minor minor thing like doing 5 over can when doing your 12 month no point good behaviour give you a 6 month suspension. Lose your licence, lose your job, lose your house.... no thanks.

For me who does 80,000km per year of a lot of country driving for work it just goes with the job to get caught every so often.

You cant tell me just because I dont have a licence I am some how more dangerous than the day before when I did. Thats a paperwork technicality. :-)

[GT69]

I lost 1 point through my entire 'P' plate time, 3 years i think in QLD, hell i cant remember.

People make it sound likes it hard NOT to lose points.

Heres some tips. Dont speed, drink drive, lose traction, be a . Be observant. Its not hard

During my P plate time i was most active doing 'illegal' stuff, ie late night drags and burnouts, Was i stupid? maybe, i did however come out of my time losing only 1 point (speed camera offense) so obviously i did the bad stuff in the safest possible way, away from police and civilians.

I currently clock 1000 km a week and haven't lost a point in *touch wood* 2 years.

If your an idiot that runs a red light or doesnt have the judgement to decide a skid at a major intersection isnt a bad idiot? Get off my road!

[GT69]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I certainly would drive with no licence, no problems (I havnt lost my licence however...had a few 12 point good behaviours though and would have if had to). And most people I know would too and some have.

Its just not right that for some minor minor thing like doing 5 over can when doing your 12 month no point good behaviour give you a 6 month suspension. Lose your licence, lose your job, lose your house.... no thanks.

For me who does 80,000km per year of a lot of country driving for work it just goes with the job to get caught every so often.

You cant tell me just because I dont have a licence I am some how more dangerous than the day before when I did. Thats a paperwork technicality. :-)

No, thats true your not. But your also not covered by insurance. which under your licence provision you are. Also you smash your car into someone else your insurance company wont cover you, which means the poor person you ran into is out of luck as well.

Thats the problem with it, thats why licences are law.

[JC]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I certainly would drive with no licence, no problems (I havnt lost my licence however...had a few 12 point good behaviours though and would have if had to). And most people I know would too and some have.

Its just not right that for some minor minor thing like doing 5 over can when doing your 12 month no point good behaviour give you a 6 month suspension. Lose your licence, lose your job, lose your house.... no thanks.

For me who does 80,000km per year of a lot of country driving for work it just goes with the job to get caught every so often.

You cant tell me just because I dont have a licence I am some how more dangerous than the day before when I did. Thats a paperwork technicality. :-)

Yes, you are more of a danger if you drive unlicensed. If you crash, you are uninsured with no license. If you are uninsured and you kill or maim someone, then you will be forking out money for the rest of your life when you get sued for damages. You will also be paying for any property damage you may cause. Accidents do happen, and you never know when they will happen (that's why they're called accidents), and if you have one when you are unlicensed and therefore uninsured, then you can forget ever having a real life again.

I cannot believe your attitude to this - it is exceptionally poor, but based on this attitude, I would guess that you are somewhere between 16 and 25, so it's not surprising that you have this attitude really.

[Pinkbits]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I certainly would drive with no licence, no problems (I havnt lost my licence however...had a few 12 point good behaviours though and would have if had to). And most people I know would too and some have.

Its just not right that for some minor minor thing like doing 5 over can when doing your 12 month no point good behaviour give you a 6 month suspension. Lose your licence, lose your job, lose your house.... no thanks.

For me who does 80,000km per year of a lot of country driving for work it just goes with the job to get caught every so often.

You cant tell me just because I dont have a licence I am some how more dangerous than the day before when I did. Thats a paperwork technicality. :-)

If you are unfortunate enough to lose your license for whatever reason, insist on driving and are unfortunate to be involved in an at-fault accident.
Losing your house will be the least of your worries!
As other have said, you will be paying for a loooong time.

[Mrs GT]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

If you are unfortunate enough to lose your license for whatever reason, insist on driving and are unfortunate to be involved in an at-fault accident.
Losing your house will be the least of your worries!
As other have said, you will be paying for a loooong time.

What if you DO have a license, and are unfortunate to be involved in an at-fault accident. does NOT having a license make you a worse driver?
Just because you HAVE a license doesn't make you a good driver!

[GT69]

Originally Posted by Mrs GT

What if you DO have a license, and are unfortunate to be involved in an at-fault accident. does NOT having a license make you a worse driver?
Just because you HAVE a license doesn't make you a good driver!

Do you have a serious problem with licences? or just dislike people with them?
Does murder make you a bad person? should you be allowed to just carry on in society after it or should there be a penalty for your crime? Oh there should be a penalty? Perhaps being removed from society and imprisoned is the answer to said question? Oh it is! Well perhaps removing someones right to drive is the answer to them breaking x number of road rules to lose (or gain however you look at it) 12 points within a 3 year period.

I honestly dont get the mentality (and quiet frankly its rather frightening) that people would openly defend unlicenced driving.

And if there 'such a good driver' they shouldnt have gotten caught and lost there licence, which means they lack common sense and skills of observation. Two very important skills needed for operation of a motor vehicle.

YES there are bad drivers who dont lose there licence, theres also 'good' (as in talented) drivers who lose theirs. Thats life, do the crime do the time. If P Platers or anyone else is unfortunate (read stupid) enough to lose there points through lack of self control then big deal, maybe they should grow up abit and being disadvantaged with no licence is possibly a good way of going about it.

[LowEL2XR8]

Originally Posted by GT69

Do you have a serious problem with licences? or just dislike people with them?
Does murder make you a bad person? should you be allowed to just carry on in society after it or should there be a penalty for your crime? Oh there should be a penalty? Perhaps being removed from society and imprisoned is the answer to said question? Oh it is! Well perhaps removing someones right to drive is the answer to them breaking x number of road rules to lose (or gain however you look at it) 12 points within a 3 year period.

I honestly dont get the mentality (and quiet frankly its rather frightening) that people would openly defend unlicenced driving.

And if there 'such a good driver' they shouldnt have gotten caught and lost there licence, which means they lack common sense and skills of observation. Two very important skills needed for operation of a motor vehicle.

YES there are bad drivers who dont lose there licence, theres also 'good' (as in talented) drivers who lose theirs. Thats life, do the crime do the time. If P Platers or anyone else is unfortunate (read stupid) enough to lose there points through lack of self control then big deal, maybe they should grow up abit and being disadvantaged with no licence is possibly a good way of going about it.

Totally agree.

[Pinkbits]

Originally Posted by Mrs GT

What if you DO have a license, and are unfortunate to be involved in an at-fault accident. does NOT having a license make you a worse driver?
Just because you HAVE a license doesn't make you a good driver!

Nowhere in my post on this topic did i state that having a license makes you a GOOD driver.
If you would care to read or re-read the thread from the start and pay particular attention to post no. 13 then you may have a better understanding.
The point i was trying to make was that this person has stated that he has had "a few 12 point good behaviours" and if he did lose his licencse would have no hesitation in continuing to drive because of the fear of losing his job, house etc....
Clearly this person needs to modify their driving habits and their attitude to following the law as we all do.
I have had a car that was parked and hit by an un-licensed driver in a stolen car being pursued by the police, and although i could provide details of the offending driver we lost our rating one status.

I'm no angel myself. I lost my license twice in the 80's for speeding, but in those days there were no demerit points for "P" plate drivers & the maximum speed limit was 80kmh. Any infringement resulted in a visit to the magistrate and more often than not a mandatory 3 month CANCELLATION which required a license re-examination.

[mik]

Melbourne population is 3.8 million+ i would`nt think 30000 drivers would be missed, not forgetting how many new drivers are adding to the road each week.

[LowEL2XR8]

A good way to get those off the road with no license is to impound their cars for the duration of the license lost. It would also be a good deterrant I think. Or maybe another way is to just take the keys off them so they can look after their own car cause god knows where you'd park 30,000 impounded cars.
If you have no license then you have no use for a car.

Maybe get a work car back if you get an extraordinary license or E plates but other than that tough luck.

The ones that consistently speed and break road rules think the rules are unfair and unjust but thats just cause they get busted. You should of thought about that before flooring it and breaking other road rules.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by LowEL2XR8

A good way to get those off the road with no license is to impound their cars for the duration of the license lost. It would also be a good deterrant I think. Or maybe another way is to just take the keys off them so they can look after their own car cause god knows where you'd park 30,000 impounded cars.
If you have no license then you have no use for a car.

Obviously you aren't married and have kids .........



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[Taxman]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Obviously you aren't married and have kids .........

You have totally missed the point.

IF you have a wife, kids and in my case a granddaughter and you get in the car to go somewhere, you want to have a reasonable expectation that you will arrive in one piece. And hope that you are not going to encounter an unlicensed driver doing the very things that have resulted in he/she losing his/her licence.

If you have a habit of running the lights i.e. they are on amber as you approach the lights and just about to change to red, you think to yourself I can clear the intersection before the others will start to move and give it a boot full, BUT WHAT IF there is someone approaching the intersection anticipating the green, starts to accelerate you collide in the middle of the intersection and you get T-boned in the passenger side and someone in your car gets injured or still worse gets killed - both claim to be safe drivers - yet someone is dead - how do you live with yourselves, particularly the driver of the car in which the person was killed.

Don't say that it won't happen because it did about a fortnight ago, I still don't know how I missed being involved as the two vehicles went spinning through the intersection, missing my car by millimetres and I had my wife, son his wife and my granddaughter in the car.

If a person has had their licence cancelled for breaking the law there is no way that they could remotely consider themselves a safe driver, they are only kidding themselves. If they were a safe driver they would not have lost their licence in the first place.

You said "Obviously you aren't married and have kids" In my opinion if you thought about them and the inconvenience of not being available as a taxi service let alone their physical well being, then you wouldn't drive in a manner that will put your licence at risk.

I would much rather be a minute or two late than being dead on time