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[fangq]

Our 16 year old eldest is 60 hours into her learners log book ( 5 months QLD ), the majority of which have been done in my wife's 6 speed manual Corolla.
She had her first drive today in the G6E T and responsibly drove same.
It's interesting to see a new driver commenting on throttle response/ auto box etc ( we did have mission debrief before we started :-)
Nice to see ; mind you , she has her heart set on a Porsche or Lambo..

Steve

[mik]

she`s taken a liking to henry....... good stuff ,when she gets here ticket would you trust her solo in the big henry ?

[Burnout]

My 18 yo daughter is at about the same place with her 'L' driving, she just wants an XR8 Ute, a 6 speed of course.

[kenz]

Originally Posted by Burnedout

My 18 yo daughter is at about the same place with her 'L' driving, she just wants an XR8 Ute, a 6 speed of course.

She's got taste :hihi:

[JutroXR8]

Originally Posted by kenz

She's got taste :hihi:

I have to agree with that comment...lol

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by kenz

She's got taste :hihi:

She don't want no Black won but!

[Smoke Pursuit]

G6ET + 16 year old, interesting combo there!

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

G6ET + 16 year old, interesting combo there!

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

Get off your high horse! Most top fuel racers start as teenagers - ohhh but that's too dangerous in case they forget which foot is which! Bah you old people should stick to lace doilies and cups of tea.

The g6et is a fantastic car to learn how to drive in - comfortable, heaps of safety aids, and if she is being supervised all during this time, fine. It is much better and safer vehicle than a 4x4 diesel with off road tyres.

As for forgetting which foot - that is what old people do. Seen it happen numerous times.

OK end of angry rant.

[Boza]

Originally Posted by GTP owner

Get off your high horse! Most top fuel racers start as teenagers - ohhh but that's too dangerous in case they forget which foot is which! Bah you old people should stick to lace doilies and cups of tea.

The g6et is a fantastic car to learn how to drive in - comfortable, heaps of safety aids, and if she is being supervised all during this time, fine. It is much better and safer vehicle than a 4x4 diesel with off road tyres.

As for forgetting which foot - that is what old people do. Seen it happen numerous times.

OK end of angry rant.

Have to agree with gtp owner on this one everytime theres a news report here in melbourne of a car going through a shop or something similar its always a elderly driver 99% of the time

In my local paper there was an artcle a few months back of an old woman running over her husband who was opening the garage for her

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by GTP owner

Get off your high horse! Most top fuel racers start as teenagers - ohhh but that's too dangerous in case they forget which foot is which!

Well obviously they are conditioned at a very young age to respect speed, unlike the vast majority of freshly minted P Platers.

Plus there is far less to go wrong on the drag strip. Kind of a silly comparison really.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Well obviously they are conditioned at a very young age to respect speed, unlike the vast majority of freshly minted P Platers.

Plus there is far less to go wrong on the drag strip. Kind of a silly comparison really.

No, not silly. We are referring to an L plate driver with supervision, not P plate drivers. Why did this thread have to turn into yet another P plate bashing thread? Because someone did not read the first post. I will get it back to topic - L plate supervised driver in a late model high power car. Lucky bugger!

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

Buddy Buddy Buddy.... If your just looking for a bite, no doubt there's plenty of fish here... But IF, by chance you ARE serious with that post...Then, my man YOU have NO idea!

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Buddy Buddy Buddy.... If your just looking for a bite, no doubt there's plenty of fish here... But IF, by chance you ARE serious with that post...Then, my man YOU have NO idea!

I could have Picked from a Few Stupid Posts in Reply to what I have said & taken them on Point to Point however yours has the be the Most Stupid as it does not address the Topic at all & just name calls.

To all of you who think it makes no Differance if a L plater is driving a car that could get up to a high speed in a very short amount of time or a car that takes 2 or 3 times as long to get to the same speed all I can say is refer to my post in the Mistakes Carsalesmen Have Made as I said it is people in general who are thick these days & not just car Salesmen & now once again my point has been proven in this Thread.

Others in here say that all learner Drivers have a foot slip off the brake onto the Throttle moment but still you say oh it is ok for a L plater to drive a high performance vehicle, now lets just think about that for a minute shall we...
common for the old Foot slip & mash the Throttle but is ok to do this in a Powerful vehicle & say run over & Kill pedestrians just like that African Woman with a mental History did on a Driving Lesson :

Yes & she was not Driving a Powerful vehicle & still managed it.

To the Guy who took her Driving I say you are the Thick person!

It does make a Differance if something goes wrong & say your Foots slips if the vehicle is say a Corolla or a G6ET etc...

Others have said the G6E would be a safer vehicle for your daughter to learn in, well maybe yes but what about other people like Pedestrians?

It is not all about how safe your Daughter may be only.

Of course I have not Mentioned P platers in this Thread however it is well known on this Forum that I think the Driving age should be lifted to 18 :

ok so rant & rave as much as you like with your silly return arguments which in many cases show no common sense at all, though I think a mod will close this Thread soon enough

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I could have Picked from a Few Stupid Posts in Reply to what I have said & taken them on Point to Point however yours has the be the Most Stupid as it does not address the Topic at all & just name calls.

To all of you who think it makes no Differance if a L plater is driving a car that could get up to a high speed in a very short amount of time or a car that takes 2 or 3 times as long to get to the same speed all I can say is refer to my post in the Mistakes Carsalesmen Have Made as I said it is people in general who are thick these days & not just car Salesmen & now once again my point has been proven in this Thread.

Others in here say that all learner Drivers have a foot slip off the brake onto the Throttle moment but still you say oh it is ok for a L plater to drive a high performance vehicle, now lets just think about that for a minute shall we...
common for the old Foot slip & mash the Throttle but is ok to do this in a Powerful vehicle & say run over & Kill pedestrians just like that African Woman with a mental History did on a Driving Lesson :

Yes & she was not Driving a Powerful vehicle & still managed it.

To the Guy who took her Driving I say you are the Thick person!

It does make a Differance if something goes wrong & say your Foots slips if the vehicle is say a Corolla or a G6ET etc...

Others have said the G6E would be a safer vehicle for your daughter to learn in, well maybe yes but what about other people like Pedestrians?

It is not all about how safe your Daughter may be only.

Of course I have not Mentioned P platers in this Thread however it is well known on this Forum that I think the Driving age should be lifted to 18 :

ok so rant & rave as much as you like with your silly return arguments which in many cases show no common sense at all, though I think a mod will close this Thread soon enough

You still seem to be stuck with this idea of the kid's foot getting mixed up. This is an old person's dilemma, not a youngster's. Teenagers are far, far better at proprioception than old people. I'll explain this for you in simple terms - they can tell where their feet are and what they are pressing. This is why youngsters learn physical skills such as soccer so much quicker than oldies. Old people lose proprioception through age related and neurological deterioration, so they are the real threat when it comes to getting their feet mixed up (and why some oldies get an idea in their head that cannot be shaken).

It is not illegal in some states to train an L plater in a high performance car. I think the fanastic range of high performance late model falcons are a much safer option than an old corolla.

And the comment about pedestrians???? What the? Maybe it would be an ideal world that we could use a landcruiser with a massive bull bar, and then we could really make a mess when we hit someone.

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

It does make a Differance if something goes wrong & say your Foots slips if the vehicle is say a Corolla or a G6ET etc...

Yes it does. It probably would be more dangerous in the Corolla if it happens at speed due to the lack of extra safety features such as DSC, traction control, etc, etc.
The type of car doesn't really matter that much until you weigh up the situation it is in. Sure, from stop, mashing the pedal in the G6ET would be more dangerous that the Corolla, but that is only one possible scenario.
Each car would have their pro's and con's faced with different scenarios.

[UNR8D]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I could have Picked from a Few Stupid Posts in Reply to what I have said & taken them on Point to Point however yours has the be the Most Stupid as it does not address the Topic at all & just name calls.

To all of you who think it makes no Differance if a L plater is driving a car that could get up to a high speed in a very short amount of time or a car that takes 2 or 3 times as long to get to the same speed all I can say is refer to my post in the Mistakes Carsalesmen Have Made as I said it is people in general who are thick these days & not just car Salesmen & now once again my point has been proven in this Thread.

Others in here say that all learner Drivers have a foot slip off the brake onto the Throttle moment but still you say oh it is ok for a L plater to drive a high performance vehicle, now lets just think about that for a minute shall we...
common for the old Foot slip & mash the Throttle but is ok to do this in a Powerful vehicle & say run over & Kill pedestrians just like that African Woman with a mental History did on a Driving Lesson :

Yes & she was not Driving a Powerful vehicle & still managed it.

To the Guy who took her Driving I say you are the Thick person!

It does make a Differance if something goes wrong & say your Foots slips if the vehicle is say a Corolla or a G6ET etc...

Others have said the G6E would be a safer vehicle for your daughter to learn in, well maybe yes but what about other people like Pedestrians?

It is not all about how safe your Daughter may be only.

Of course I have not Mentioned P platers in this Thread however it is well known on this Forum that I think the Driving age should be lifted to 18 :

ok so rant & rave as much as you like with your silly return arguments which in many cases show no common sense at all, though I think a mod will close this Thread soon enough

I was giving you the benifit of the doubt after your first post but after reading this I cant let it go, because she is a L plate driver DOSENT mean by default she is useless, i was driving around on a farm from the age of 10, by the time I had my L's i would have had over 500hours of driving practice everyones circumstances are different, and some people cant handle a high performance car regardless if they are 16 or 60, you post seems like you were denied your fathers car when you were younger as apart from make you look foolish by not backing up ANY comments with facts you class everyone in the same basket then call for the legal age to be 18.. so at 18 you have as much experience as a 16yo which is NONE, your just 2 years older.. kind of pointless really.

as far as commenting on the L driver and putting her foot down and mowing down pedestrians, she did that in an ECHO far from being HP car, the G6ET has ABS, EBD, ESP and unless your under it is a very docile car, unless she is doing full throttle starts from the lights with ESP off i hardly see the danger, and with dad in the passanger seat im sure thats not occuring.

on topic, good on you for letting your daugher experence a range of cars, FWD/RWD handle differently and its good for her to realise this before she gets let loose by herself.

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

I have a 16 (just) old mate who's driving Formula Ford this year.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

I disagree. I am teaching my 17 year old daughter to drive in my G6E and I could not think of a safer vehicle in which to learn to drive. The power output of G6E exceeds the V8 of only a few years back, so the power argument is a mute point. On the plus side, she is learning to drive in a vehicle that dynamically balanced, responsive, has incredible reserves of chassis dynamics, and has reasonable tactile steering. (Mum's car is a new Mazda 3 and she much prefers driving the Falcon.)

In addition, the vehicle is equipped with dynamic stability control that would catch any moments when she runs out of talent. (Note: until only a few weeks ago, DSC was unavailable in the Corolla at any price.) From my perspective, the G6E has a five star crash rating, so if we have the big moment (and God willing we won’t), we have a better chance of walking away from the incident.

For the record, her foot has slipped off the brake pedal once when we were parking the car at the local library. She caught it pretty quickly. I think that it something that all learners have done at some point in time.

Yes, I do have extra grey hairs from teaching both my daughters how to drive, but any parent will tell the same story.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.
Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake :

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

Just Crazy.

Doesnt matter if its an I6T or V8 it can happen in an everyday car

[Bazil]

Originally Posted by fangq

Our 16 year old eldest is 60 hours into her learners log book ( 5 months QLD ), the majority of which have been done in my wife's 6 speed manual Corolla.
She had her first drive today in the G6E T and responsibly drove same.
It's interesting to see a new driver commenting on throttle response/ auto box etc ( we did have mission debrief before we started :-)
Nice to see ; mind you , she has her heart set on a Porsche or Lambo..

Steve

My daughter comes off her P plates next month and has been pestering me for ages to have a drive of the GT-P. I keep telling her its not insured for P plate drivers, now I may have to relent.
We have allways intended to get her an advanced driving course for her 19th birthday so will proberbly let her have a drive after that.
She is my little petrol head, more so than any of my sons, and jokingly says she will not date anyone that drives an "H" word as she puts it.

[The Monty]

Only reason I think its wrong, is cause Im jealous, lol. I learnt in a diesle 4x4 with offroad tyres, on the beach and 4wd tracks. That can teach you car control, or lack of, very quickly.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by The Monty

Only reason I think its wrong, is cause Im jealous, lol. I learnt in a diesle 4x4 with offroad tyres, on the beach and 4wd tracks. That can teach you car control, or lack of, very quickly.

I learnt in a 4x4 on a farm, then an xa falcon 250 2v auto. Both were far more of a handful than a g6et.

My kids will probably be learning in the xr6t and the gt-p. All 3 of the kids will have a very watchful eye over them, but i trust them, and they are better cars in the event of a crash than the old cars.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by GTP owner

I learnt in a 4x4 on a farm, then an xa falcon 250 2v auto. Both were far more of a handful than a g6et.

My kids will probably be learning in the xr6t and the gt-p. All 3 of the kids will have a very watchful eye over them, but i trust them, and they are better cars in the event of a crash than the old cars.

Man, you were lucky. I learnt in an 8t bedford truck, rust holes in the floor and no synchro on the box. Steering was a 1/4 turn before the wheels actually did anything. The plus side was it was physically impossible to do a burn out, even on gravell. By the way, that was on a farm and I was about 12. By 13 I was driving a HT Kingswood (my own) down to the back paddocks (about 15km on gravell roads).

Kids can be responsible, it is all about how they are taught. I say good on him for giving her the experience under competent supervision.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Man, you were lucky. I learnt in an 8t bedford truck, rust holes in the floor and no synchro on the box. Steering was a 1/4 turn before the wheels actually did anything. The plus side was it was physically impossible to do a burn out, even on gravell. By the way, that was on a farm and I was about 12. By 13 I was driving a HT Kingswood (my own) down to the back paddocks (about 15km on gravell roads).

Kids can be responsible, it is all about how they are taught. I say good on him for giving her the experience under competent supervision.

Farms are a great way to learn about vehicles. At 13 i used to compete with dad in a dewy paddock to see who could go the fastest then pull the handbrake hard to do as many 360s as possible. I managed 7 1/2 one time!
I taught car control, but also to respect the car - i lost control many times doing 10km/h on frosty paddocks, slowly sliding down a hill with no possibility of stopping. It taught me to respect what can happen in a 1.5 tonne missile. it doesn't matter how powerful the missile is, they can all be lethal.

I then moved onto a motorbike licence before i got my car licence. This taught me to never trust another vehicle, which is probably a more important lesson.

[The Monty]

The 4wd was one of the most dangerous cars Ive driven. Huge body roll, seatbelts didnt really work, every rubber was shot, had about half a turn of freeplay in the steering, and power steering didnt work.

[WILDTRAKPX2]

double post

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree, No Learner (specially a 16 yo) should be Allowed to Drive a Turbo or High Powered V8.

Rubbish. I am doing exactly the same as the thread starter and my daughter started in my wife's Getz for 6 months before moving into the XR8. She has been driving my car now for 3 months without incident and we both can see the benefit from doing this. She has also been driving her Grand Dad's turbo.

My insurance company (QBE) does not have a problem with this, in fact there was no increase to my premium whatsoever. This is in QLD.

My 16 old daughter and my 14 year old son have both driven my XR8 numerous times on skid pans and will be attending specialised courses (@$395/course) as part of their learning. With my instruction, driving lessons and skid pan/specialist courses including defensive/advanced driving, I have no problem with 16 yo driving V8's or turbos. Of course when they hit their P's (WITHOUT ME SITTING NEXT TO THEM) they are restricted and maybe that's a good thing.

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Is just Crazy, what would Happen if her Foot Slipped & she Hit the Throttle by Mistake

What if, what if, what if...

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

She would be better off sticking with Mums Corolla until she has a few Years Experiance, I mean Really do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?

I don't know what you mean by "do we as Parents allow our Children to have Everything they want these days?". It's not want they want, it's about what I WANT. I would rather see my kids driving newer, quality safer cars than the old box I had when I was 17. I will be part funding our kids cars to ensure just that.

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Just Crazy.

Again, rubbish. I'm with the thread starter on this 100% and good on him for helping/teaching and encouraging his daughter how to drive. Experiencing different vehicles whilst learning can only be a good thing.

[Mr Hardware]

G6ET = no go for anyone less than opens in QLD (or any other forced induction/V8 vehicle (cept dirty diseasels))

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

G6ET = no go for anyone less than opens in QLD (or any other forced induction/V8 vehicle (cept dirty diseasels))

Not true, you can drive 8's or turbos in QLD on learners. The restrictions cut in on P's.