Senseless....

4Vman · 29-10-2008, 07:52 AM

What were they thinking...

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...94-661,00.html

maccamom · 29-10-2008, 07:53 AM

Stupidity at its finest

sleekism · 29-10-2008, 08:02 AM

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Stupidity at its finest

Amen how the F do people lose control in FWD cars?

EgoFG · 29-10-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Amen how the F do people lose control in FWD cars?

My experience is that it is easier.

a RWD will progressively loose control, allowing you the opportunity to adjust, FWD tend to appear to be infallible, but then snap you are suddenly sliding, and it is harder to bring it back in than a RWD.

Hunter · 29-10-2008, 08:27 PM

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My experience is that it is easier.

a RWD will progressively loose control, allowing you the opportunity to adjust, FWD tend to appear to be infallible, but then snap you are suddenly sliding, and it is harder to bring it back in than a RWD.

Agreed. My Falcon was fairly predictable in terms of handling... my Mazda 3... it handles very very well however I get the feeling based on how it feels that once I you get it unstuck you're going to largely be a passenger in it and understeer head first into a tree. I would imagine that most FWD cars have a tendency towards doing this.

Re the overloading... I believe its not necessarily illegal to do what they did, i.e. it does not explicitly state in the legislation that its illegal. In QLD however it most certainly isn't legal (the way I read section 265 of the TORUM I take it to mean that). Its only legal in QLD if you're a cop or other emergency service worker.

If there is a loophole in the Victorian road legislation you can bet there will be an amendment bill very shortly...

deesun · 29-10-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

What were they thinking...

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...94-661,00.html

Obviously they were'nt

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Bushbasher · 29-10-2008, 08:31 AM

Were they all greased up with lard or something; how the hell do you get 6 in the back of a lancer coupe?

: Even double stacked there can't be any room for knees can there ?

Bushbasher

prydey · 29-10-2008, 08:42 AM

and then people wonder why the govt has a major obsession with speed and the enforcement of it.

as stated in other threads, here in adelaide we've had 2 car chases and ferrari into a stobie.

as long as these things happen the govt will continue to clamp down on anything speed related because even though it may not be cause for some or many accidents, for many accidents it is the major cause.

freaky · 29-10-2008, 08:42 AM

what will it take to get the message through

"There was alcohol in the car,'' Sgt Jones said."

It's hard to have any simpathy for them

BIGJB · 29-10-2008, 08:49 AM

well thats 6 more people than u relly want in a Lancer.

vanman_75 · 29-10-2008, 09:00 AM

going for a record on the move maybe

RG · 29-10-2008, 09:05 AM

As stupid as this accident is I don't think that it is the most disturbing thing about it.

I heard this on the news this morning and apparently the Ambos were so overstreched a Police Officer had to drive an Ambulance to the hospital. Now that's worrying.

EDIT: A related story confirming the Police driving the ambulance here: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,24569486-1243,00.html

4Vman · 29-10-2008, 09:10 AM

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As stupid as this accident is I don't think that it is the most disturbing thing about it.

I heard this on the news this morning and apparently the Ambos were so overstreched a Police Officer had to drive an Ambulance to the hospital. Now that's worrying.

Not good... although i doubt anyone would have expected 8 from a single vehicle accident early on a wed morning...
You could feel the sheer dismay, anger, frustration and helplessness in their voices listening to Police on the radio this morning.. makes you wonder if anything will ever work to curb such stupidity and waste in young drivers.
It must be so hard on Police and Paramedics having to deal with this kind of tragedy, unfortunately its becoming more and more common..

RG · 29-10-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Not good... although i doubt anyone would have expected 8 from a single vehicle accident early on a wed morning...
You could feel the sheer dismay, anger, frustration and helplessness in their voices listening to Police on the radio this morning.. makes you wonder if anything will ever work to curb such stupidity and waste.
It must be so hard on Police and Paramedics having to deal with this kind of tragedy, unfortunately its becoming more and more common..

I couldn't do it, you would have to become desensitised to a certain degree just so you could sleep at night.

It does show how much pressure and how understaffed the Ambos and Police are under in Victoria at the moment for this type of scenario to play out.

4Vman · 29-10-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell

I couldn't do it, you would have to become desensitised to a certain degree just so you could sleep at night.

It does show how much pressure and how understaffed the Ambos and Police are under in Victoria at the moment for this type of scenario to play out.

I couldnt do it either..

In terms of under staffing i can understand how difficult it would be to cater to this kind of thing at 1am on a wed morning.. the ambo's are 2 up and can carry 2 patients and with 8 patients they'd need 4-5 ambulances minimum to cope, if both patients need constant attention for the trip a police officer is the logical choice to drive...

gtxb67 · 29-10-2008, 09:27 AM

this MAY not have been any part of the problem, but the current licensing system for immigrant drivers is laughable. if you hold a license overseas, whether experienced on the road or not, you can rock up to the road authority and pass your learners, hazard perception and test in one day. if you have held a license overseas for over 3 years you can be a fully licensed driver here with very minimal experience on the roads

add to that, most people in sudan, asia etc. do not drive much at all, so do not know the dangers of driving; and (in asia at least) the speed of traffic is so slow, that carrying too many people, not wearing seatbelts and a general low appreciation of road safety is not same problem that it would be here

they do not teach people who have only seen our roads, how to drive properly. unfortunately for the immigrants coming over in their thousands, they have even less chance. our money hungry governments do not take into account differences in culture and experience, so until they do we will always get situations like these

leadfoot · 29-10-2008, 06:41 PM

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this MAY not have been any part of the problem, but the current licensing system for immigrant drivers is laughable. if you hold a license overseas, whether experienced on the road or not, you can rock up to the road authority and pass your learners, hazard perception and test in one day. if you have held a license overseas for over 3 years you can be a fully licensed driver here with very minimal experience on the roads

add to that, most people in sudan, asia etc. do not drive much at all, so do not know the dangers of driving; and (in asia at least) the speed of traffic is so slow, that carrying too many people, not wearing seatbelts and a general low appreciation of road safety is not same problem that it would be here

they do not teach people who have only seen our roads, how to drive properly. unfortunately for the immigrants coming over in their thousands, they have even less chance. our money hungry governments do not take into account differences in culture and experience, so until they do we will always get situations like these

More racist cr*p...Obviously the problem must be with the testing as these are the same that us good white folk do.
I would also like to know where you get your info on driving conditions in asian countries are like..I have lived in Bangkok and can tell you that while in peak hour traffic is slow moving - once it clears it moves somewhat faster than it does here.

gtxb67 · 29-10-2008, 07:04 PM

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More racist cr*p...Obviously the problem must be with the testing as these are the same that us good white folk do.

more ignorant crap . . . . bangkok and manila are 2 different places. i do not believe i mentioned bankok at all. i suggested it is too easy to get a license in australia if you have an international license. my wife is from manila so i do not see how i am being racist. you are only racist when you DON'T like the race

i put down the license testing standards, not the people who get a license too easily

leadfoot · 30-10-2008, 01:30 AM

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more ignorant crap . . . . bangkok and manila are 2 different places. i do not believe i mentioned bankok at all. i suggested it is too easy to get a license in australia if you have an international license. my wife is from manila so i do not see how i am being racist. you are only racist when you DON'T like the race

i put down the license testing standards, not the people who get a license too easily

Go back & read your own post...you said asian traffic moves slowly..and you did complain about the people who get licenses too easily.If you had a beef about testing standards you would have included ALL immigrants not specifically mentioned asians & africans.

gtxb67 · 30-10-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by leadfoot

Go back & read your own post...you said asian traffic moves slowly..and you did complain about the people who get licenses too easily.If you had a beef about testing standards you would have included ALL immigrants not specifically mentioned asians & africans.

i mentioned the sudanese because it seemed a sudanese was involved in the particular accident. i mentioned asians and specifically phillipines because the only country other than australia i have experience in is the phillipines

did i put them down. i just stated a fact. the fact is the traffic in manila is so much busier than melbourne, there is no comparison. trucks are (or were not in 2005) not allowed on the road between 9am and 9pm. cars are only allowed out on the road depending on odds or evens number plates. a trip in manila takes probably 3 times longer at least than the equivalent distance in melbourne

and i complained about vic roads given them a license too easily - maybe you should read the whole post. there are many people who put down the particular people who you claim i have singled out for their driving, behaviour etc. i have actually given a view that supports them to some degree and puts down the government. i do not see how that is racist

i do find it a little wierd that you suggest i am racist based on those comments, but you obviously are not when you state "Australia - where everything is either forbidden or compulsory". sounds like you have something against australians

Gobes32 · 29-10-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by leadfoot

More racist cr*p...Obviously the problem must be with the testing as these are the same that us good white folk do.
I would also like to know where you get your info on driving conditions in asian countries are like..I have lived in Bangkok and can tell you that while in peak hour traffic is slow moving - once it clears it moves somewhat faster than it does here.

It may be racist, but the news bulletin mentioned that these people (sudanese) are not aware of overloading dangers. (remember there was an accident last year with people of the same race overloaded and same result) If they are unaware of the dangers and need to be educated then may I suggest they are not suitable to hold a license. If they are able to come over and pass a simple road rules test and quick driving test with vic roads instructor then by all means they may carry an australian driving permit.

TZENU · 29-10-2008, 09:28 AM

You gotta wonder why you would cram 8 people in that car... Then you gotta ask what the driver was doing to lose control of the car?... I know that stretch of Hwy and it's as straight as an arrow.
May have been fatigue or speed or both.

4Vman · 29-10-2008, 09:31 AM

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You gotta wonder why you would cram 8 people in that car... Then you gotta ask what the driver was doing to lose control of the car?... I know that stretch of Hwy and it's as straight as an arrow.
May have been fatigue or speed or both.

Excessive speed combined with reckless behavior that caused loss of control would be my guess judging by the extreme damage to the car.. an extra 400kg's in a small car wouldn't have helped its handling either..
I doubt anyone would fall asleep at the wheel with 7 screaming passengers...

Ghosti · 29-10-2008, 12:54 PM

I think you'll find that the Lancer in question was actually the school bus from the local clown college.

Hence the 8 people...

Mansal · 29-10-2008, 09:30 AM

FYI - the driver was in fact an L-plater

TZENU · 29-10-2008, 09:37 AM

Too true then you wonder why young drivers get so much attention in the media. And its all because of a select few that have nothing between their ears.

4Vman · 29-10-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TZENU

Too true then you wonder why young drivers get so much attention in the media. And its all because of a select few that have nothing between their ears.

Add to that the over represented excessive frequency of such incidents with young drivers....

Airmon · 29-10-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TZENU

Too true then you wonder why young drivers get so much attention in the media. And its all because of a select few that have nothing between their ears.

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The driver, a 20-year-old woman

I thought it was Male teenagers they were more concerned about? Just goes to show that anyone can do stupid things. The more concerning thing is that all 8 of them obviously consented to being in the car, so its not just 1 idiot, its 8

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A mate of mine has one of those Lancers, and I have no idea how they managed to squeeze 8 people in there? Were they all anorexic? There would have to be someone sitting on the centre console, and that I can imagine wouldn't make it easier to drive.

dannyxm · 29-10-2008, 09:49 AM

There should be a law against stupidity.

If it were so, this lot would have got the maximum penalty.......

gtxb67 · 29-10-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by danny888

There should be a law against stupidity.

If it were so, this lot would have got the maximum penalty.......

that is true to an extent, but it seems they all came from another country where the driving standards and general road safety and culture are so much different

i do not know how to fix it, but these people need some education before they are allowed to drive. maybe they need a learner's for an extended time or distance with only an instructor beside them

my belief is the government is just as stupid for allowing anyone onto the road. my wife for instance, has driven for around 50 hours in her life, but is a fully licensed driver. 45 of those hours have been here, yet she was eligible for a full license the day she got of the plane, just by passing 3 tests. being slightly older than the average learner, she has a maturity and commonsense that young people do not have but we still limit her driving to an extent and most of her driving is with me beside her, because she is still in the learning part of her driving life

having driven in the phillipines i now know why most asian driver's are too fast or too slow. the traffic and rules are just so different and their knowledge, (what we consider to be) commonsense and skills need to be tested much greater than they are now