NSW P plate laws for those interested *Dont mean to offend*

[bicepboy]

Here guys i found it -

"If they get caught driving any of these vehicles, they’ll have to pay a fine ($1100) and you’ll receive three demerit points.
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so yeah you dont lose your license if your on your greens.

Thanks

[JACK250]

Thanks for that.. Is it 1100 maximum, or is that just what it is do you know?
Cheers

[bicepboy]

yeah max pretty sure.....

[Rodp]

Hardly seems worth the risk to be honest. Particularly if you decide to buy a car that's restricted.

[RSgerry]

Phew. For a minute there i thought you would get locked in a cell with a 200kg pervert called 'Buttercup'.

[XR8 Uterous]

Last time i look the fine was about $1100 but i remember it being 7 demerit points, which is what you get one your green P's so it would be a loss of licence. Could be wrong but meh...

[b2tf]

being on green P's doesnt mean you wont lose your licence and from memory green P's is only 6 points

[XR8 Uterous]

Originally Posted by b2tf

being on green P's doesnt mean you wont lose your licence and from memory green P's is only 6 points

Didn't say it would. I ment it as the amount of demerit points is equal too, or more than what you have on your greens, meaning you would lose you licence on either greens or reds.

[Conrad]

i have 4 points on my red p plates so you wouldn't lose ur license anyway

[GS608]

thats nothing compared to the $1100 fine though..

[ch33z1l]

green p plate are 7 demerit points

[BA-Fan]

Sorry to hijack the thread but I have another question.

I own two V8's. My fiance is still on her greens but has an exemption for the first V8 because it was aquired long before the laws came in. Will she also be exempt for the second V8 as it was replacement for a vehicle that was written off (STORM DAMAGE)?

Jeremy.

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by SM0KED

Sorry to hijack the thread but I have another question.

I own two V8's. My fiance is still on her greens but has an exemption for the first V8 because it was aquired long before the laws came in. Will she also be exempt for the second V8 as it was replacement for a vehicle that was written off (STORM DAMAGE)?

Jeremy.

no, I doubt it

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by SM0KED

Sorry to hijack the thread but I have another question.

I own two V8's. My fiance is still on her greens but has an exemption for the first V8 because it was aquired long before the laws came in. Will she also be exempt for the second V8 as it was replacement for a vehicle that was written off (STORM DAMAGE)?

Jeremy.

No. Cause she is exempt from the car, not V8s. I'd be suprised if you could get her exempt for both, as she already has the exemption on the other. They'd see no reason for two unless they were company cars.

[BA-Fan]

Interesting, What however would happen however if one of the exempt vehicle was written off during the Sydney Storms? and another V8 was purchased?

[lostdude]

The exemption was probably for the car as stated above, and the car being replacement doesn't have to be a v8 so i doubt they would allow for another exemption.

[XDV800]

Why anyone would care what the fine or points slug is I don't know.
If your stupid enough to drive a restricted vehicle on your restricted licence, then you are contravening an attempt to curb deaths of young road users and others involved, by placing a limit on vehicle spec until your a bit older.
It's a lame attempt by the states RTA's but it's something.
Trust me you run the risk of stuffing up your whole life if want to flout the law. Take up motor sport instead.
[ Queue some 17 year olds who think they should be able to drive a 400hp commodore, or turbo silvia if they feel like it : ]

[FGII-XR6]

lets get some perspective here . P platers are in such a rush to get into a V8 or FI car they forget a few things.

1. they are not experienced drivers they are still learners who have been allowed to progress to the next level ( solo )
2. they hold a provisional licence this means there are strict conditions attached they are not full licence holders and as such do not enjoy the privileges enjoyed by more experienced drivers
3. driving is a privilege not a right
4. the restriction only lasts 3 years and when you gain experience you will be able to drive more powerful cars
5. you are not the only drivers with restrictions someone with a C class licence for example can't drive a rigid 10 ton truck or a B double licences are issued according to skill and experience
6. P plate drivers are disproportionately represented in the road toll statistics so for public safety restrictions were imposed

So you can't drive the car of your choice for a massive 3 years ! Such a hardship. lets look at similar situations in other areas . a pilot when he qualifies does not just jump into a 747 he has to gain experience in smaller less powerful aircraft first would you advocate allowing a newly qualified pilot to fly a 747?
In motor racing do you think you can wake up one morning and think “I have more cash than brains” I’ll drive at Bathurst next weekend! You have to gain experience in motor racing to reach this level
A Dr finishes his degree and is qualified but he still has to do 5 to 6 years training in a speciality would you advocate they be allowed to perform a heart transplant straight out of uni? They are doctors after all? I think not



During your L plate phase you gain limited experience and pass a test which allows to go out unsupervised . If you were a fully qualified driver you wouldn't need to pass 2 more tests to gain a full licence. P Plate drivers need to be patient if you survive your early driving career (and remember P platers are a high risk for a road death) you can drive a 15 litre V16 if you wish with quad turbo’s if you so desire
relax and drive a car more suited to your experience and abilities it's only 3 years FFS

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

lets get some perspective here . P platers are in such a rush to get into a V8 or FI car they forget a few things.

1. they are not experienced drivers they are still learners who have been allowed to progress to the next level ( solo )
2. they hold a provisional licence this means there are strict conditions attached they are not full licence holders and as such do not enjoy the privileges enjoyed by more experienced drivers
3. driving is a privilege not a right
4. the restriction only lasts 3 years and when you gain experience you will be able to drive more powerful cars
5. you are not the only drivers with restrictions someone with a C class licence for example can't drive a rigid 10 ton truck or a B double licences are issued according to skill and experience
6. P plate drivers are disproportionately represented in the road toll statistics so for public safety restrictions were imposed

So you can't drive the car of your choice for a massive 3 years ! Such a hardship. lets look at similar situations in other areas . a pilot when he qualifies does not just jump into a 747 he has to gain experience in smaller less powerful aircraft first would you advocate allowing a newly qualified pilot to fly a 747?
In motor racing do you think you can wake up one morning and think “I have more cash than brains” I’ll drive at Bathurst next weekend! You have to gain experience in motor racing to reach this level
A Dr finishes his degree and is qualified but he still has to do 5 to 6 years training in a speciality would you advocate they be allowed to perform a heart transplant straight out of uni? They are doctors after all? I think not



During your L plate phase you gain limited experience and pass a test which allows to go out unsupervised . If you were a fully qualified driver you wouldn't need to pass 2 more tests to gain a full licence. P Plate drivers need to be patient if you survive your early driving career (and remember P platers are a high risk for a road death) you can drive a 15 litre V16 if you wish with quad turbo’s if you so desire
relax and drive a car more suited to your experience and abilities it's only 3 years FFS

I agree there should be a power limit but there are a lot of V8's out there that come under the power to weight limit.

Then again those people who buy a V8 are generally fully sick. So maybe the laws are a good idea.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Then again those people who buy a V8 are generally fully sick.

So are those who drive eseries

This thread is ok for now but let's not get to the point where it is just more whinging and carrying on.

[bicepboy]

its ok for all you blokes you have your full license you would be as dirty as i would be if you were in my shoes. The minority stuffed it and we are basically living in a police state thanks to good ol labour. How dare they say what cars we can and cant have? Fair enough if you have a bad history of driving etc but to straight out ban em? you can still kill yourself in a v6....theres no logic behind it besides revenue raising.

[MitchG]

you can just as easy wrap a ford laser round a poll as a XR6T, i have many mates on Ps who drive v8's & turbos that have never been in trouble, if your a smart,carefull,safe driver that doesn't drawn attention to your self you may get away with it, not condoning it or saying you will get away with it, but it sure does help.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MitchG

you can just as easy wrap a ford laser round a poll as a XR6T, .

Utter rubbish.. its far easier to get a rear wheel drive car with allot of power "ugly" that an under powered front wheel drive, the laser simply cant accelerate at a rate likely to catch you out anywhere near what the 6T can..
Immaturity, Overexuberance with the right foot combined with inexperience and allot of power and acceleration is a recipe for disaster.

[MitchG]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Utter rubbish.. its far easier to get a rear wheel drive car with allot of power "ugly" that an under powered front wheel drive, the laser simply cant accelerate at a rate likely to catch you out anywhere near what the 6T can..
Overexuberance with the right foot combined with inexperience and allot of power and acceleration is a recipe for disaster.

yeah alot of that is very true, but u can still achive heigh speeds & wheel spin etc in a non v8/turbo.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by MitchG

yeah alot of that is very true, but u can still achive heigh speeds & wheel spin etc in a non v8/turbo.

Exactly, how many Ecotec commys are crashed? Any car can kill.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by bicepboy

theres no logic behind it .

Much like this topic.....

Boo hooo hoo... Que the Kleenex for all the poor hard done by "wanna be" p plate racers out there..
Suck it up, quit the moaning and go get some driving experience in a sensible vehicle for a couple of years before trying to tackle a V8SC with rego....

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by bicepboy

its ok for all you blokes you have your full license you would be as dirty as i would be if you were in my shoes.

I would be?

My first car was a 1.3L Escort that couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. My cars were pretty modest to start out with as I learned how to drive, read traffic and learn some common sense. I didn't have to learn how to wrestle with a car if a rush of blood came over me because there was no wrestling with that car, it was armless, legless and had no teeth. If I had to go through it all over again I'd likely do the same thing.

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I would be?

My first car was a 1.3L Escort that couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. My cars were pretty modest to start out with as I learned how to drive, read traffic and learn some common sense. I didn't have to learn how to wrestle with a car if a rush of blood came over me because there was no wrestling with that car, it was armless, legless and had no teeth. If I had to go through it all over again I'd likely do the same thing.

My dad would have been, he has had a V8 all his life. First car a 302 XW GS sold that in a month and bought a 351 XA. He woulda been filthy with these rules if they were in place back in the day.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by PhilXR8

My dad would have been, he has had a V8 all his life. First car a 302 XW GS sold that in a month and bought a 351 XA. He woulda been filthy with these rules if they were in place back in the day.

Both of which would have been slower in stock form than an base model 6 cylinder FG Falcon!

You young guys aren't hard done by. My first car was a Datsun Stanza ( lots of fun and a top speed of 140kph), next car was an XD Falcon with a 250CI motor and alloy head which I thought was a beast, but in fact probably did the 1/4 mile in about 18 seconds.

At around the same time, new Brock crummidores were THE performance weapon of choice for guys with the money to buy them with a 1/4 mile time somewhere between 15.5 and 16 seconds in stock trim. The XE ESPs with a 351 were as hipo as you could get if you were a die hard Ford fan until they bought out the XF which had no V8 available.

These V8 Brock/ESP cars which were the top of the heap then are slower over the 1/4 mile than the new base model FG Falc!

You have access to a whole different league of cars compared to us older blokes, both performance and especially handling.

Just because the government brings out some crummy ill informed law banning you from the highest performing vehicles available for a year or two, doesn't mean you are being hard done by. Think of it this way too guys. In 4 or 5 years, the way car development is going the performance is going to be better again than the cars available right now! Just look at the difference in power outputs between the AU I series and the BFII for an example of what I mean (no offence to Au owners).

Whats more you will actually be around to own them if you want!

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Both of which would have been slower in stock form than an base model 6 cylinder FG Falcon!

Exactly mate, and which can we drive?? That was where my beef lies, I can't drive the XY but i can hop into a 6cyl BF falcon and it would most likely be quicker. I'm no idiot and im not that concerned really, but an outright ban is silly IMO. Power to weight would be much more effective. I can still enjoy the XB though, great to drive and get positive comments off heaps of people .