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11-02-2014, 10:46 PM | #1 | ||||
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An interesting opinion peice on where we are headed now with car manufacturing being shown the exit.
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11-02-2014, 11:23 PM | #2 | ||
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Its a disaster.
As far as I see, near everyone has a nothing job. If you service anything apart from something that can be exported you are a cost to the country. Including myself... If you are a building houses or buildings, if you work in health or are a cop, etc etc, they are nothing jobs that just service ourselves. It annoys me when Abbott says coles is going to ad 3500 jobs in Victoria, they are again not real jobs, just servicing ourselves. Cant believe whats happening. :-( |
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In a closed economy you export to your neighbor. Of course you need to manufacture things in a closed economy. You need to provide your own services and infrastructure and stuff. But it can work, but we are not a closed or inward looking economy. we are trying to exploit the big bad global economy and failing. JP |
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12-02-2014, 12:33 AM | #4 | |||
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For all intents and purposes, our car industry was also a self-service industry. Exports need to bring money into the country, not send it out. |
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14-02-2014, 01:34 PM | #5 | |||
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11-02-2014, 11:36 PM | #6 | ||
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They really did **** up.
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12-02-2014, 12:08 AM | #7 | ||
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Rest assured that we won't be servicing ourselves exclusively, but rather ourselves and all the tourists who will come to marvel at our beaches and national parks!
I also don't buy this whole "lets replace our manufacturing with big transport infrastructure projects". What's the point of new freeways and tunnels when there is less traffic on the road as less people have jobs to get to? |
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12-02-2014, 12:33 AM | #8 | ||
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If the government wants out if manufacturing then that's fine. But they don't seem to have a Plan B. They've tossed out an entire industry but have nothing to replace it with. Apparently we're the food bowl of Asia but they're happy to let SPC fold. What's that being replaced with...?
I fully agree with their principal that companies should be able to fund themselves, but a the same time they need an environment that is sustainable and competitive on a global scale. We don't currently have that. The red and green tape we have in this country is a joke (our council considered requiring permits to play a radio in the workplace). This is going to sound red neck, but I strongly believe we employ far too many people behind desks in this country with nothing better to do all day than to think up new crap to make life harder. If half of them were sacked the ones left might actually have to work a little harder and things would work a little more in our favour. |
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12-02-2014, 12:43 AM | #9 | ||
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They did no such thing. We gave Holden $275mil in 2012. Holden promised to stay for another decade. Barely 18mths later and they broke that promise, no doubt because VF sales didn't meet expectations.
If we truly wanted a local industry, we'd have bought the local product. Governments at all levels for a number of years (not just the current LNP) can be thanked for not insisting on locally-sourced fleets. |
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12-02-2014, 12:37 AM | #11 | |||
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There's a very good reason why so many foreign multinationals are buying into local agriculture. There's a buck to be made. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon. Populations are growing, available land is reducing, at some point we'll be in an excellent position to profit. We poured $30bn into cars over the last decade, and for what? Imagine we had done the same for the agriculture sector. |
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12-02-2014, 01:44 AM | #12 | |||
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To put it further in perspective, the Government spent $17billion on the ABC over the same period of time. Last edited by Brazen; 12-02-2014 at 01:50 AM. |
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12-02-2014, 02:00 AM | #13 | |||
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12-02-2014, 09:37 AM | #14 | |||
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So let's get back to basics, for industry we need an abundance of cheap reliable clean fresh water, ultra cheap electricity and transportation. We need government to invest in water, road and power infrastructure. We also need a fair and equitable tax system and minimise red/green tape. The unions also need to readjust and reset their expectations as fewer and fewer people belong to unions. We need less lawyers, a lot less accedemics/greenies/social conscience warriors and we need to withdraw from a raft of international treaties which do not assist Australia in the slightest. The services industry is a mirage, so called local skills have easily been shifted to Bangalore and Madras. We need to be building stuff just like China is. Just a few of the things needed... |
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12-02-2014, 07:29 AM | #15 | |||
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12-02-2014, 10:08 PM | #16 | |||
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What an uplifting future to aspire to. Clearly you have no idea on the cross spread of skills both trade and tertiary based permeates through the non auto manufacturing sectors. One must ask, why should I then have my tax dollars subsidise those on the land in their bad times? According to your grand plan I would be still paying to bail out foreign corporations who are investing in our farmland.
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12-02-2014, 10:17 PM | #17 | |||
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12-02-2014, 11:57 AM | #18 | |||
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I wonder how many politicians realise to what extent those foreign tourist come and spend a large potion of their money at 'their' foreign owned airline, hotel, tourist shops and travel companies often employing their own and then exporting the 'profit' back home. So much for tourism.
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Yet another Sydney centric federal govt handing it out to the 'Mexicans' .
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12-02-2014, 07:46 AM | #20 | ||
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One thought that has been going through my head since the Toyota announcement has been about profit. Were they really losing money or were the books cooked to make it appear as though they were?
I have been involved with mediun sized companies that moved all production overseas with creative accounting. They were making consistent profits year in year out but someone in the managerial foodchain wanted more. So the beancounters began writing crap off, the net result of which is paper losses and enough fuel to pull the trigger on a local shutdown. Have such dodgy moves contributed to the demise of Australian manufacturing, hell yes. Have they contributed to the Australia Disease, they sure have. |
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12-02-2014, 12:38 PM | #21 | |||
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Out of 2500 workers at the Altona plant 750 decided to chuck a sickie. Is it that friggin important to think about you and your celebrations for nothing and drinking alcohol is more important rather than "maybe my actions now will cost me in the long run?" I'm sorry however alot of you need to realise your demands now have been met with detrimental consequences. A sickie can cost you your position. Welcome to the rest of us, where conditions are far less favourable for the average worker. Where you don't get paid overtime, where you don't get leave loading, where you don't get RDOs, where you don't get paid to give blood. Where you DEAL with what you get.
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12-02-2014, 12:59 PM | #22 | |||
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This comes up a bit and is a fair issue you have raised and I have heard about the 30% which doesn't portray a great picture of the Australian worker. However, 30% is still a minority (but a figure we should not accept, meaning that is way too high and people need to pull their heads in) I do wonder what the figure was for the supply chain as I believe it would be much less and there conditions are also a lot less. So I do feel for the 70% and also those in the supply chain, as I am sure many would have accepted different conditions etc Ideally Toyota should have been able to manage the 30% (many discourage the process from happening) but I suspect bureaucracy prevents that from occurring. I still maintain Australia was far better with an Automotive industry than without, and I also believe our governments must protect employment and industries. Otherwise we will end up like a lot of other countries with high unemployment, social economic issues and a larger divide between the have and the have nots. Edit: would also like to know where the government thinks its revenue will come from in a few years, with industry reducing and therefore revenue from tax reducing. The Automotive industry contributed a lot to the Australian Economy, hence the reason why the world fights to protect there industry
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12-02-2014, 01:23 PM | #23 | |||
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The vast majority of our 'industry' is service based for better or for worse. Not all service based industry is internal and self servicing. My service based business exports globally. However based on what I have read today I am not sure the service or agriculture industry will be able to absorb the displaced manufacturers as they also face automation and significant generational job reductions. Your point is valid however. Who pays for the goods machines make? and do th emachines pay enough tax to provide welfare to humans? JP |
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13-02-2014, 12:35 PM | #24 | |||
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I know a few large companies that have outsourced the entire accounting department off shore. Manufacturing is an important industry (before anyone starts all industry is important) Studies have been done that show every one manufacturing job spins off 5 other jobs. I was lucky to go overseas last year and see what governments were doing to entice business (provide jobs) I think as we got through the GFC better than most we are a bit more complacent (in our policies etc)
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Unions may have fought for something better and now have lost. Everyone else lives by their day to day mindless job as you so put it because simply and bluntly put they have to. I would rather be a mindless drone than a white trash bogan living on $400 a fortnight.
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12-02-2014, 10:32 PM | #28 | |||
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Yes, they don't get paid overtime, but can bag undeclared cash on a weekly basis. Don't get paid to give blood, but claim expenses on their wifes car. Don't get leave loading, but claim and receive a hefty tax return. And the list goes on ..Give it up champ. I do totally agree with your points on some peoples lack of work ethic though.
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12-02-2014, 10:42 PM | #29 | |||
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As a mindless drone in a truly global company my conditions are as follows - 4 weeks leave a year - 10 sick days (two consecutive day must be accompanied by a doctors cert) - Super as per Aust Government guidelines That's it. None of this leave loading, overtime bonus, RDO, etc etc. This is why I cannot stand reading about other workers who complain about their positions despite being far better off than other workers.
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