Heathcote Raceway Deadly Crash - let's play blame some one else

[Sorted]

I hate Australia and this BS !!!!!!!!! Lets blame everyone else and not take responsibilty for our own actions and then get paid for being stupid!!! - although in this case the person died but i am sure someone is wanting some sort of payment $$$$

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/...px?storypage=2

Car at fault in deadly Heathcote crash: coroner

A CORONER has found the death of a 38-year-old Japanese man in a racing car accident in Heathcote in 2006 could have been prevented by a mechanical check of the vehicle.

Manabu Kondo was killed when the jet-powered car he was test-driving at the Heathcote Raceway crashed into a barrier and disintegrated.

In a report handed down in the coroners court yesterday, Coroner Peter White concluded problems with the car’s wheel bearings caused the car to shudder violently as it approached its top speed, knocking Mr Kondo unconscious.

He said Mr Kondo then lost control of the vehicle, which veered into a safety barrier. However, Mr White said the accident was preventable.

He said the man who sold the car, Kevin Hinkling, the operator of Heathcote Raceway, Russell Clarke, and Mr Kondo himself should have ensured the vehicle had undergone a basic mechanical check.

“The failure of Mr Clarke, Mr Kondo and Mr Hinkling – all of whom had either experience or training in engineering – to undertake... anything approaching an adequate risk evaluation of the ongoing performance testing of the jet car was dangerous in the extreme,” he said.

Mr Kondo had travelled to Australia in October 2006 with rthe aim of buying a jet car and was put in touch with Mr Hinkling by Mr Clarke. After arranging to buy the vehicle, Mr Kondo had it transported for trial at the Heathcote Raceway on the proviso Mr Hinkling would come to check the car and teach him how to drive it, but Mr Hinkling left after giving only brief instructions.

Mr Kondo then started test runs of the car, building up speed under the guidance of Mr Clarke. After a the fifth or sixth run Mr Kondo noticed the vehicle was vibrating. There were also problems with cracking on the car’s wings and a braking parachute deploying early.

Despite these issues, Mr Kondo decided to complete a final run, aiming for 95 per cent power or about 320kmh. It was on this run that the car malfunctioned, leaving the track at an estimated speed of about 300km/h.

A subsequent examination of the car by Senior Sergeant Le Guier of the mechanical investigation unit showed the car’s wheel bearings were incorrect, the wheel nuts were loose and the hubs damaged.

“Senior Sergeant Le Guier further opined that the issues identified concerning the rear wheel lateral movement and loose wheel nuts could have been easily detected had the vehicle been placed on a jack before use,” Mr White said.

In the coronal inquest, Mr Hinkling argued he had sold the vehicle to Mr Kondo for display purposes only. But Mr White dismissed the claim, saying Mr Kondo had said on a number of occasions he wanted to “drive the vehicle at speed”.

Mr White noted that the builder of the car had told the coroners court it was never designed for drag racing and was not built to travel at more than 220 to 240km/h.

[prasac]

if the car was built not to go over 220km/h why would the owner let him push it that hard?

[Mr Hardware]

peter russell clarke?

[jd dad]

These are the reasons that ANDRA have Tech Inspections and scrutineering before competition. Let a jet car run down the track with loose wheel bearings and wheel nuts, for mine anyone associated with this unfortunate episode needs a reaming so let it begin.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Sorted

I hate Australia and this BS !!!!!!!!! Lets blame everyone else and not take responsibilty for our own actions and then get paid for being stupid!!! - although in this case the person died but i am sure someone is wanting some sort of payment $$$$

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/...px?storypage=2

what are you trying to say...

sounds to me like it was a poorly designed and maintained bucket of s......

[Jim Goose]

I hate Australia and this BS !!!!!!!!! Lets blame everyone else and not take responsibilty for our own actions and then get paid for being stupid!!! - although in this case the person died but i am sure someone is wanting some sort of payment $$$$

er um... the coroner blamed the right people.

not following what you mean at all???

[Sorted]

LOL so most people here would buy a Jet Car and Race it down the 1/4 mile without having it checked out first? - um common sense?

Ok so fair enough but then if it started vibrating at high speeds and its wing started to crack you would then just say lets go for another run but much faster - that makes more sense does it - ok then

[jd dad]

Originally Posted by Sorted

LOL so most people here would buy a Jet Car and Race it down the 1/4 mile without having it checked out first? - um common sense?

Ok so fair enough but then if it started vibrating at high speeds and its wing started to crack you would then just say lets go for another run but much faster - that makes more sense does it - ok then

The whole point here is we all would have it checked and the coroner is saying exactly the same thing. The guy selling it, the poor unfortunate who bought it and the bloke running the track/helping the poor unfortunate run the car are all to blame because NONE bothered to check it.

[dylancox]

Originally Posted by jd dad

The whole point here is we all would have it checked and the coroner is saying exactly the same thing. The guy selling it, the poor unfortunate who bought it and the bloke running the track/helping the poor unfortunate run the car are all to blame because NONE bothered to check it.

Um.. Mr Kondo had driven the car a few times before he decided to hammer it. He was the one behind the wheel when the accident happened. Surely he would have felt the vibrations and would have noticed something was seriously wrong unless he was deaf and had a numb body? And being on a racetrack, isn't there some kind of disclaimer for liability, given that motor racing has inherent risks?

[04redxr8]

Just because you can afford one, doesn't mean you know how to drive one. He should have stopped when he felt the first shudder.

Darwin award in IMO.

[naughts]

Originally Posted by jd dad

The whole point here is we all would have it checked and the coroner is saying exactly the same thing. The guy selling it, the poor unfortunate who bought it and the bloke running the track/helping the poor unfortunate run the car are all to blame because NONE bothered to check it.

So, who checks the wheel bearings when you buy a new car??? Or a second hand one for that matter.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by naughts

So, who checks the wheel bearings when you buy a new car??? Or a second hand one for that matter.

A street car? Virtually no one.

A jet powered car designed to be run down the dragstrip? Anyone with half a brain would do so...wouldn't you check over every nut and bolt on that bomb on wheels?

[jd dad]

Originally Posted by naughts

So, who checks the wheel bearings when you buy a new car??? Or a second hand one for that matter.

road car- prob not . Purpose built race car that goes over 300k/ph- anyone with more than 2 brain cells and a basic survival instinct. As said before all involved in this incident are partially at fault. Without knowing the deceaseds
history with racing vehicles it is impossible to know if he had any idea what is "normal" in a car of this type. My kids car would only get to 70mph on the track but I checked it front to back every time we went to a race meeting just to be sure.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Sorted

LOL so most people here would buy a Jet Car and Race it down the 1/4 mile without having it checked out first? - um common sense?

Ok so fair enough but then if it started vibrating at high speeds and its wing started to crack you would then just say lets go for another run but much faster - that makes more sense does it - ok then

see my reply above......

[Geez Louise]

Sorted, we know what it is like to race at Heathcote. (well those of us who go to the AFF Drag Days do ) The cars get checked before racing when it is scrutineered, anything after that, is the drivers responsibilty. They do check the cars on the line though if they are leaking fluid etc..

The driver is ultimately responsible to check their car before, and after racing. How can someone else be blamed for a mechanical fault that can only be felt when driving the car??

The car could have been fine on the start line and then break down on the track. I have seen it happen many a time.

This will just give the wowsers another opportunity to say racing, even on a track, is too dangerous a sport and should be stopped.

Cheers
Col

[Trevor 57]

Understand that Coroners can only hand down 'findings', they can't prosecute anyone, they can recomend that the Police lay charges, but it is only a recomendation, that is is all the Coroner can do

I think you are flying off the handle here about what the Coroner said, he can't fine them, charge them, jail them - nothing

[ZcAmbo]

Before we take my wife's car to heathcote to race i spend the week before just going over things making sure everything is okay. So far never had a issue with breaking down or breaking parts to me just common sense check your vehicle over before you go flat out down a track. When being scrutineered ive never had the wheels jacked up to check wheel bearings. Also dont most cars that run 9's and quicker have to have like a cams book or somthing simular saying the car is up to scratch.

[Nikked]

Motor Racing is dangerous, every now and then accidents happen. Simple oversights can turn into disasters.

If the onwner of the car followed the warnings, he would still be here.

No one else is to blame, not the track, not the officals, just the driver/owner.

[gtxb67]

i cannot see what the problem is. a car that was capable (and expected to do) around 200-300 kph was not given a proper safety inspection. if i am selling my car to someone that is going to give it a caning, i have to make sure the car is safe

for sure the driver is probably mainly at fault, because he was in control of it, but no one is ever 100% innocent or guilty. there is always something, someone could have done better and the coroner is just expressing this

i assume the driver did not tell the court that he was suffering from vibrations and other issues after a few runs, so who told the court that. assuming it was either mr hinkling or mr clarke, why did one of them not stop the car from attempting any more runs????

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

so who told the court that. assuming it was either mr hinkling or mr clarke, why did one of them not stop the car from attempting any more runs????

I think this answers your question, I took this from the first post, likely you didn't read this bit

A subsequent examination of the car by Senior Sergeant Le Guier of the mechanical investigation unit showed the car’s wheel bearings were incorrect, the wheel nuts were loose and the hubs damaged

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I think this answers your question, I took this from the first post, likely you didn't read this bit

i read it, did you??

Originally Posted by from first post

Mr Kondo then started test runs of the car, building up speed under the guidance of Mr Clarke. After a the fifth or sixth run Mr Kondo noticed the vehicle was vibrating. There were also problems with cracking on the car’s wings and a braking parachute deploying early.

i assume that mr kondo could not tell the court this because he was deceased at the time of the court hearing

[Bossxr8]

Why didn't he pull the pin when he noticed the car had issues? To not stop and find the problem, ignore it and continue on to go faster is just sheer stupidity, and he paid for it with his life.

Can't just lump the blame on the previous owner or builder.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Why didn't he pull the pin when he noticed the car had issues? To not stop and find the problem, ignore it and continue on to go faster is just sheer stupidity, and he paid for it with his life.

Can't just lump the blame on the previous owner or builder.

no one has lumped the blame on the previous owner. they are laying some blame on them. the driver was most at fault, but others could have done something to stop it from happening



this is intersting though

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The organisers should be taking the brunt and the police chief who was supposed to be organising the safety.

when troy critchley drives a drag car with no safety barriers he is hardly to blame for his stupidity. but when a no name wannabee driver performs a similar act of stupidity, it is all his fault

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

no one has lumped the blame on the previous owner. they are laying some blame on them. the driver was most at fault, but others could have done something to stop it from happening



this is intersting though

when troy critchley drives a drag car with no safety barriers he is hardly to blame for his stupidity. but when a no name wannabee driver performs a similar act of stupidity, it is all his fault

Where did you dig that up from?

They were totally different incidents. Troy Critchleys car did not have any mechanical problems he should have been aware of. His car was safe, but he screwed up and lost control. He'd probably done the same thing 100 times and never had an issue so assumed it would be ok. The other driver was in-experienced and should have known the mechanical issues he felt could be dangerous and should be checked over.

Troy did what he was asked to do for charity I think, yes maybe he should have insisted on barriers to protect the crowd but thats the job of organisers to implement, he was just the guy who was asked to drive, not organise the event. But I can see a bit of parellel, but the jet car driver should have used some common sense, Troy was just guilty of complacency in thinking something he'd done 100 times before couldn't ever go wrong.

2 totally different situations. I'm sure if Troy noticed his car had some issues he would have pulled the pin, experienced drag racers like him wouldn't be so stupid as to drive a car that was obviously showing signs of mechanical issues. They pull the pin if they notice an issue.

[gtxb67]

there was an issue - no safety barriers
that is a major issue, because it endangered other lives

both drivers were stupid and were mainly responsible for the accident they were involved in. however, others should have been smarter in both situations. if those people were smarter, then the stupid driver would not have been in the situation they ended up in